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Old 20th August 2006, 21:29   #31
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i have started having doubts about pioneer. In the market pioneer's SVC are rated at 400Watts RMS. I doubt if its real 400w rms.

You see i have a pair of JBL GT4-15 15" which are rated at 250Watts RMS. It hard for me to believe that pioneer is better than JBL. How come pioneer is selling 400Watts RMS at 3.5 k.?

Kindly clarify my doubt
the rms value is the thermal handing of the sub , which means that it can handle 400 watts rms continous without getting damaged.....

the jbl is a svc having a vc of 250 rms and the pioneer is having dvc each coil having the handling capacity of 200 watts rms.... but there are two vc so the handling gets double.....

the cost factor is due to the B&w factor mainly.........not the rms value...

also the rms in not a factor which will help u judge which sub is better.....
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Sorry .. but LBM are your iridiums up and running?... please put up pics and a review yaar!!
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the cost factor is due to the B&w factor mainly.........not the rms value...
LBM,thats the best and most logical sentence u have written on t-bhp.com i beleive... ....just joking...

anyway how do u compare both these amp..alpine 605. vs Pio 510D if u have used any of these??

And Kb,even if they give me one amp free with any watch,i will refuse to accept this freebie...i have seen this amp here in my city.
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WHAT DOc Saab?... you have see this very amp in operation in your town??... comments pls!!
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WHAT DOc Saab?... you have see this very amp in operation in your town??... comments pls!!
I saw this amp at one of the car accessories shop and he quoted me around 3.5k for 4 -ch one and around 2.5k for 2-ch local-made alpine amplifier.

Luckily,i had just joined t-bhp and i survived....
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Old 21st August 2006, 00:33   #36
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LBM,thats the best and most logical sentence u have written on t-bhp.com i beleive... ....just joking...

anyway how do u compare both these amp..alpine 605. vs Pio 510D if u have used any of these??

thank rsjaurr for the same...

from my side go for pioneer d510 as it is cheaper than alpine and almost same specs......

where are u planning to add it.......
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Old 21st August 2006, 19:02   #37
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Right now i am not thinking of any modification but u never know as i have an extra sub..

But if i remember correctly,Gunbir/JB were not impredd with alpine 605 amplifier.In India this must be over 20k but on onlinecarstereo this amp sells for abt $210.
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YEAH... C'mon Doc.... Do a Stereo Sub setup!!!
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today i went to karol bagh to buy sony amp XM-SD51X (500w X 2 rms @ 2 ohms) the rate the dealer asked was Rs.8800 but he didn't had the amplifier at that time.
he showed me another model sony XM-SD61X (600w RMS @ 2 ohms) for Rs.12500 & pioneer 510D for Rs.10500
seeing the amps i got more confused pioneer amp was around half the size of sony amp & had only 25X2 A fuse compared to 30X3 A fuse on sony amp.
i returned empty handed to seek worthy advices from team-bhpians.

My main concerns are :-

1 Is sony amp sd61x better than pioneer 510d?

2 will the sony amp take up the 2 ohm load easily & won't trip,as i listen to music with deep bass?

3 is the sony amp powerful enough to pound two pioneer svc subs(400 + 400 watts rms)?

4 Do we have hifonics available in india?

5 On sony site XM-SD61X is more priced $399.95 than sony XM-D9001GTR $299.95 (around Rs.15000) even if the D9001GTR amp is more powerful 900w rms @ 2 ohms.can any one explain why?
or there is a typing mistake.anyway i will happily buy one D9001 if they were available in india
links for SD61X
http://www.xplodsony.com/specialty/amplifiers/XM-SD61X

for D9001
http://www.xplodsony.com/xplod/amplifiers/XM-D9001GTR

please reply i am waiting........

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1 Is sony amp sd61x better than pioneer 510d?

2 will the sony amp take up the 2 ohm load easily & won't trip,as i listen to music with deep bass?

3 is the sony amp powerful enough to pound two pioneer svc subs(400 + 400 watts rms)?

4 Do we have hifonics available in india?

5 On sony site XM-SD61X is more priced $399.95 than sony XM-D9001GTR $299.95 (around Rs.15000) even if the D9001GTR amp is more powerful 900w rms @ 2 ohms.can any one explain why? .....
a) the SD 61 is better but costs more than the D510
b) the SD61 will put out 600W at 2 ohms but only as a sub amp (20-200Hz) at 1% THD. read the pdf http://www.xplodsony.com/files/manua...ers_Manual.pdf

c) the SD61 will just about drive 2 Pio subs. It is not the wattage but the efficieny of the subs that you have to consider. efficiency ratings are normally something like 87db/1W/1m etc..

d) dont know

e) on paper the 9001 looks like better value but I suspect it is may not be as good as the SD61 - the SD61 has slightly better S/N ratio. I can be very wrong on this as I have not heard EITHER amp. Still given that the Pio subs you have are not known for bass definition the 9001 amp should suffice.
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YEAH... C'mon Doc.... Do a Stereo Sub setup!!!
oh...i missed it earlier.

I can do if my friend Kb can lend me helping hand,though not empty...

Lets see if i can get good,cheap amplifier.
Do i have to upgrade wires to 2g from 4g at present?

@Veeru-Gunbir and JB have been very impressed with sony SD seris amplifiers and they have posted an install also,having sony SD sries amplifier 5-6 months back.U will have to ask gumbir or JB about that thread.

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I don't get why people go for 306 DVC (they are not good woofers)
306 DVC cost less But make you spend 3ce the cost of them.
If u want good sound go for the 306 C or kenwood 3009 they are good woofers give tight bass and you require a single mono amp for them and that also sony 51 x
For single DVC even 51 x trips in around 1-2 hrs so no long music
306 DVC =
then you can even see if your with DVC boss Amp which is easily avaiable n got 1000 rms and then there is concorde 5.5 which belong to cheap category which take load of 2 DVC 2gether but install capaciters otherwise amp will get weak.
If your going for 2 sony 61x they'll move your car you'll get deep and clear bass with a controler to control bass from each woofer and don't 4get to get a new battery
i have
2@ DVC(306)
3@ AMPS(504 sony, sony mono, concorde)
1@ Compo(JBL 6'5)
1@ speakers(6975 pioneer)
2 @ centre speakers(blau)
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I don't get why people go for 306 DVC (they are not good woofers)
306 DVC cost less But make you spend 3ce the cost of them.
If u want good sound go for the 306 C or kenwood 3009 they are good woofers give tight bass and you require a single mono amp for them and that also sony 51 x
For single DVC even 51 x trips in around 1-2 hrs so no long music
306 DVC =
then you can even see if your with DVC boss Amp which is easily avaiable n got 1000 rms and then there is concorde 5.5 which belong to cheap category which take load of 2 DVC 2gether but install capaciters otherwise amp will get weak.
If your going for 2 sony 61x they'll move your car you'll get deep and clear bass with a controler to control bass from each woofer and don't 4get to get a new battery
i have
2@ DVC(306)
3@ AMPS(504 sony, sony mono, concorde)
1@ Compo(JBL 6'5)
1@ speakers(6975 pioneer)
2 @ centre speakers(blau)
I think we have new busted along us in the forum.....

man my car has the folowing

2@ DVC (3004SPL)
3@ amps (alpine 545, alpine 1005, alpine 1005)
1@compos 3-way (DLS iridium)
1@compos 2-way (Pioneer Kevlar)
0@centre speaker (we dont need this for anything)

along with H701, Ipod, Pioneer Ipod controller, Optima Yellow top, Audison AR wiring....

but any way in the first line you said 306dvc is a bad sub and in the last u are saying you have a 306dvc sub installed what is this mystery.....


Ps.try use only two smiley in one post.......
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i have
2@ DVC(306)
3@ AMPS(504 sony, sony mono, concorde)
1@ Compo(JBL 6'5)
1@ speakers(6975 pioneer)
hey ankushagg, just a suggestion.. if you have 2 subs and 2 amps driving them, its always better to go for a identical configuration... say, drop concorde and buy another sony mono...
because, the rating of sony mono and concorde would be different... so you might feel one of them loud and other not so loud.... thereby reducing the overall effect...

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anku; why do you have 2 centers? oen for frnt centre and oen for rear centre? a 7.1 system?

could you post some pix of your install and which car? and which company RCAs do you use(if any)

and whats 1@ ? one pair? If so, do you haev 2 pair of center? I am confused!

amps trip if not tuned properly or if you have bad install and local brands. Correct me if I am wrong.

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