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Old 16th July 2004, 11:39   #1
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My friend is going for an Indigo LX this week.

Can the audio buffs@team-bhp suggest a good Audio setup within 25K price bracket.

Headunit: 1 DIN Single MP3 unit
Dash Mount Speakers:
Tweeters:
Front Door Speakers:
Rear Shelf Speakers:
Subwoofer/s:
Amplifier:

Music interests: Hardrock/Techno/Underground
Preferred Brands: Sony/Pioneer/JBL/Blaupunkt/Cervin Vega/Kenwood



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Old 6th August 2004, 13:07   #2
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O.K I've decided to go either with the Pioneer DEH-P7650MP costing around 11K or Pioneer DEH-P5650MP costing around 8K for the head units.

The major differance being 3 RCA out and an OEL display in DEH-P7650MP compared to 2 RCA out for the DEH-P5650MP.

Have any one tried putting 6x9 rear speakers in an Indigo. The factory fitted parcel tray has round holes and I doubt whether 6x9's can be fitted even on an MDF tray. I see lots of metal reinforcements/supports at the bottom of the tray. *

Also can anyone help me with the size of the door speakers and the front dash speakers.

Also what is your opinion about JBL speakers which are now officially available in India.

Have anyone tried using the Soomoku Active Subwoofers manufactured in India...Especially the SW-300 available for around 10K

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Quote[/b] (Digital Vampire @ Aug. 06 2004,11:37)]Have any one tried putting 6x9 rear speakers in an Indigo. The factory fitted parcel tray has round holes and I doubt whether 6x9's can be fitted even on an MDF tray. I see lots of metal reinforcements/supports at the bottom of the tray. *]
Hey Digital Vampire,

Lots of cars have trouble putting in 6x9s by default.

For example when i put them in on my accent the guys had to cut off a bit of the metal underneath the parcel tray with a jigsaw. This is pretty much "standard procedure".

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Old 6th August 2004, 15:00   #4
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Just remember, that bulkhead where the speakers fit is a major load bearing brace. If its not done properly, this will cause a major weak spot in your chassis which will lead to flex.

If they simply widen the existing holes it should be OK, but just make sure you don't have some trigger happy yahoo cut right through the brace! It happens, I've seen it!!

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Old 6th August 2004, 15:44   #5
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Rehaan: How about fixing 6" components at the rear...Will it have a major difference in quality/sound output than a 6x9 Coaxial... This way I *dont have to fiddle around with the metal mounts...But 6" components are more costly than 6x9 Coaxials

Thanks for the advance warning rtech
Normally the technicians who fix the Audio Hardware dont have a clue about these issues and they try to adapt it somehow...

Also when I asked about the MDF tray in Hyderabad, they seem to hear it for the first time...

I'm still not able to locate a dealer who sells an MDF parcel tray. Anyone from Hyderabad who knows where I can purchase an MDF parcel tray for Indigo?



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hey try paramount near basheerbagh skyline theatre or stunnerz on minister road, they will have it
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Have anyone tried using the Soomoku Actice Subwoofers manufactured in India...Especially the SW-300 available for around 10K
Avoid this brand at all costs. Just go for an established player like Pioneer or Sony. The annual R&D of these companies will be 10 times more than the entire turnover of Soomoku.

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Quote[/b] ]Have any one tried putting 6x9 rear speakers in an Indigo. The factory fitted parcel tray has round holes and I doubt whether 6x9's can be fitted even on an MDF tray. I see lots of metal reinforcements/supports at the bottom of the tray.
Rtech has pretty much addressed what you must avoid. Also:

1. Make sure that the chap does not use a hammer to make the speaker holes bigger. Mark the size with a black marker pen, and go to a local welder to cut the metal. Dont, at any cost, let the installer use a hammer and a chisel to cut your rear platform.

2. It is possible to fit 6x9s in the Indigo but only if done by a professional installer. I am not familiar with Hyderabad, but visit an authorised outlet. Even if you buy your stuff from elsewhere, they will fit it for you.



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Quote[/b] ]Rehaan: How about fixing 6" components at the rear...Will it have a major difference in quality/sound output than a 6x9 Coaxial... This way I dont have to fiddle around with the metal mounts...But 6" components are more costly than 6x9 Coaxials
You cant substitute one component instead of a 6x9 at the rear. Components are for upgradeability, placing emphasis on distinct sound sources of bass, treble and mid-range. It requires much more planning and detailed execution.

For your purpose, I suggest a regular 6x9. Just make sure you get a three way or a four way (keeping your music preferences in mind).

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first of all, there is only one brand that i would insist on because the only section that normally differs a lot from brand to brand is :SERVICE & SPARES.
i trust PIONEER since they are easily available both in spares as well as components.

i have very little knowledge on ICE and here are my recommendations:


Headunit: Pioneer 5650-around 8k.
Dash Mount Speakers: pioneer spkrs- for Rs.900
Tweeters: Pioneer TS-60- around 2-2.5k
Front Door Speakers:same as above
Rear Shelf Speakers:PIONEER TS-A6990 400W, 5 way spkrs- around 3.5k
Subwoofersioneer 1200 watts/SONY Xplod XS-L121P5 12" Subwoofer for around 4-5k
Amplifier:PIONEER GM-X364 /sony 555 amp -for 5k
total:25-26000
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Thanks GTO for the tipIm yet to search for the MDF parcel tray at Stunnerz or Paramount as recommended by aadix.

Speaker Mounts: I just dived into the Indigo boot and noticed that Tata has done a good job of making the Speaker mounts removable by loosening the two nuts/bolts. This way I guess I can accommodate the 6x9s with less on nil metal work.

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Quote[/b] ]The annual R&D of these companies will be 10 times more than the entire turnover of Soomoku.
YesI completely agree on the R&D part. Soomoku/Palesha seems to be a small time outfit from Pune with next to nothing spends on the R&D. But for the record, their subwoofer Dynaquest was once adjudged the best Home Theater Subwoofer by AvMax.

The dealer seems to be very much confident in the product and has offered me a Trial-n-Buy offer. If our Indie subwoofer effort goofs up, I can always switch to JBL/Pioneer/Blaupunkt units

Also the SW300B comes with a 12 subwoofer from Denmark as well as an imported 110W RMS amplifier with crossover frequency and phase adjustments.

So the area where they can really goof up is the design of the vented enclosure. This area used to be a black magic art earlier, but with the advent of smart softwares like WinISD, it is much simplified these days. Armed with the correct Small-Thiel parameters for the subwoofer which is usually available from the manufacturers website, designing a Ported Enclosure is a cakewalk. *A few years back, Ive designed a ported enclosure with WinISD and coupled with a 12 Marantz driver, it outperformed my Yamaha Subwoofer (Dual 8 Drivers) in the home theatre setup.
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Quote[/b] ]. A few years back, I’ve designed a ported enclosure with WinISD and coupled with a 12” Marantz driver, it outperformed my Yamaha Subwoofer (Dual 8” Drivers) in the home theatre setup.
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Old 10th August 2004, 20:18   #11
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hey there

heres what i woul reccomend:

Headunit: 1 DIN Single MP3 unit frankly this can be your pick,but should def.be an mp3/wav player (budget Rs. 7000)

Dash Mount Speakers:not required or door speakers, only one.
Tweeters: forget this, all waste of money

Front Door Speakers: get components, 5 1/2 size should drop right in, please check, price approx 5,000, alternatively if you cant put good speakers up front then dont put anything at all!

never get full range speakers for the front, because they are just used as a reference or a "filler" when listening to in a car, you dont want cheap speakers distorting and cracking.

Rear Shelf Speakers:6x9 just avoid pioneer, go for anything that comes with a warranty max spend Rs. 4,000

Subwoofer/s: i prefer audiobahn, though it might shoot outta budget, go in for sony or jbl Rs. 3,500

Amplifier: hmmm.... lets say you dont buy the front speakers, you can then spend over 5,000 for the amp, go look around & have a pick, asa thumbrule amps costing over 8,000 will be decent to pump a woofer for good bass.


you'll have to also spend a little bit on wires, labour etcetc.

dont compromise and buy something cheaper just because you want it all now! wait & buy stuff laer, rather save up & buy quality stuff ... this is a big mistake ppl do...

avoid the popular sony 222/444 amps, they only good for speakers not subs...
aviod pioneer too..wel atleast the speakers, forget japan, theynot even
made in malaysia now..all of it comes from gurgaon..same with sony stuff if theres no bill,

you can pick up woofers with free door speakers for 2,000 on bazee... really sad i say..

have fun !

and oh .....AVIOD "Soomoku/Palesha " trust me!
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Quote[/b] (Godspeed @ Aug. 10 2004,18:48)]Rear Shelf Speakers:6x9 just avoid pioneer, go for anything that comes with a warranty max spend Rs. 4,000
Hey Godspeed,

That was a very useful post..

Regarding the pioneer speakers, i have always personally stayed away from pioneer and kenwood..... ive always been an alpine (and kinda blaupunkt) kinda guy..... but it suprised me on TBHP the amount of people who swear by pioneer..... can anyone shed light on this issue? and compare pioneer QUALITY with blaupunkt for example.....coz i still dont know if these are just biasses in my head or they are based on some reason!

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hey Rehaan,
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As on comparing pioneer and blaupunkt ill say tat u cannnot compare most of the pioneers available,atleast not da ones available in mumbai as they are mostly made in india wid jus labels of malaysia or japan vr as blaupunkt can be really relied upon as u get a bill nd warranty.
If ur importing a pioneer there is kinda of a tussele between da two brands as both dem become reliable as u knw what uv got nd anoder thing is that blaupunkt has various service centers which r managed by professionals who know what dey r doin nd plus blaupunkt gives u what it says.
Also on compering speakers blaupunkt is light yeras ahead as a blaupunkt 150 watts speaker is compared to a pioneer 350 watts speaker wat i mean to say that da output u get out of da blaupunkt 150 is da same as tat of wat u get out of pioneer 350 watts i know dis as a fact as in my zen i have original pioneers 350 watts nd in my accent i have blaupunkt 150 watts and even while installin blaupunkt i had compared dem wid pioneer but i found tat blaupunkt is way better wid or wid out an amp.
As for subwoffers and amps id go in for Audiobhan as its way superior and even in a normal plain mdf enclosure you get amazing bass as compared to dat of a blaupunkt or pioneer or sony.
Although an audiobhan is hard to obtain but its top of da line.

Hey Digital Vampier if u want good base widout a sub goin in for audiobhan 6x9 , possibly a component system say blaupunkt velocity series or if u can get ur hands on it infinite audio in da front , and a good 4 channel amp say blaupunkt and ull be all set for amzing clarity wid good base and a loud system.And as for da head unit its a very personal touch as all have their own pros and cons like say in a mp3 player u will not have da option of cassettes nd vr as in a cassette player u can add on an mp3 changer or a vcd changer.
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pioneer has been the longest standing grey market product for as long a i can remember! even 8 years ago, in my fyjc, pioneer stuff was the only thing available other brands were atleast 20-40% cheaper, people have been able to obtain the same "loudness"with pioneer , but costing much much lesser monies... but now sound quality is becoming more n more important for people & they have realised that compromises cannot be made with certain components..
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Has anyone tried out JVC? Its mp3 receiver sells for Rs 5500 & i'm tempted!



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