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Old 14th June 2011, 17:09   #76
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Can you please suggest me the best possible and suitable HU & AMP for what I have already bought, to get the best out of them.

In the mean time I have been offered a used [3 months old] Alpine CDE-W203E [double din], for Rs. 8,500/- (negotiated price), how is the SQ, is it suitable for my setup, and is it worth buying at that price.

In any case I am taking your advice and decided to remove all stops for the budget, but want to get the most VFM in what I spend.
I am not uptodate on prices so cannot advise you if Rs. 8500 is a good price for the W203.

VFM and "remove all stops" dont mean the same thing. A 9K HU will offer more features and maybe even better SQ than a 6K HU and a 15K HU will usually be better than a 9K HU etc... even though the cheaper HU might offer more VFM. The same applies to subwoofer, amplifiers and speakers. Given the nature of the beast I would strong suggest that you fix a budget before you start otherwise you might end up spending much much more than you intended to.

In the mid 1980s I bought my first new car. I saw an advert in the papers for an Alpine HU for $230. I went to the shop and ended spending more than 10 times that ammount on stereo equipment in the same evening. This hobby can make you poor very fast.

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I am not uptodate on prices so cannot advise you if Rs. 8500 is a good price for the W203.

VFM and "remove all stops" dont mean the same thing. A 9K HU will offer more features and maybe even better SQ than a 6K HU and a 15K HU will usually be better than a 9K HU etc... even though the cheaper HU might offer more VFM. The same applies to subwoofer, amplifiers and speakers. Given the nature of the beast I would strong suggest that you fix a budget before you start otherwise you might end up spending much much more than you intended to.

In the mid 1980s I bought my first new car. I saw an advert in the papers for an Alpine HU for $230. I went to the shop and ended spending more than 10 times that ammount on stereo equipment in the same evening. This hobby can make you poor very fast.
You are so true, even I am afraid of becoming poor by getting into this trap. No wonder I am longing for a double din, but the head says a single din will not look bad and also there will be space below to slip in the phone / ipod. So to be on the safer side I have fixed a budget of 20K for both HU & Amp including the wiring and fixing, any mods accessories needed will spend extra.

But if the SQ of Alpine W203 is good I might as well buy it, just because it is a double din, though it has only single line display, and only BT ready, it was released in 2009. Wanted to know from you if it is good enough on the SQ front or I am better off taking something else single or double din doesn't matter that you suggest is better than that in terms of SQ. Also the suitable Amp. I am confused over how to power the speakers and the sub from the amp. The front are not comps, just coaxial 60 W RMS each and rear are 100W RMS each, the sub is 1400Watts max, nominal is 400Watts, so there I stand.
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Zulfi, I have not heard teh W203 per se but I have heard many Alpines and they all sound good. So going by this past experience I would expect the W203 to sound good as well.

Even if the front speakers are not components they will benefit if driven by an amp. If you sit in the front this makes even more sense.
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Zulfi, I have not heard teh W203 per se but I have heard many Alpines and they all sound good. So going by this past experience I would expect the W203 to sound good as well.

Even if the front speakers are not components they will benefit if driven by an amp. If you sit in the front this makes even more sense.
This I never thought, as I drive the front will really need to be powered by the Amp, thanks for that. Well I've gotten over the W203 for now, and want to focus on the fact that a good SQ single din will do better for me. And a good Amp.

Now that it is mostly clear, just to summarize, Amp will power the front coaxial 60wattsx2, and the Sub 400watts (RMS?), so what I need is a good 600watts (RMS) AMP, right?

Also any suggestions for a good SQ HU in my budget (HU+AMP for about 20K)
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Also any suggestions for a good SQ HU in my budget (HU+AMP for about 20K)
For 20K this is what I would do.
HU: 9K
4 ch. Amp: 6K
Damping, Wires and Install: 5K (2K damping, 2K RCA Wires, and 1K labour).
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Navin I enjoy my music and home audio is a old adcom/def tech setup with MIT biwires.

Just bought a Thar last Friday and need your advice on audio for the car. Money is not the issue but given that for the car my source is invariably mp3 cd's or stuff off internet radio (ideally) plus keeping in mind security issues overspend would be risky.

So what audio in your opinion offers the closest to audiophile quality for 15-20k

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So what audio in your opinion offers the closest to audiophile quality for 15-20k
A Thar is a diffcult vehicle to ICE. Besides it's NVH is quite high besides my opinion might not suit your needs but since you asked....

HU: Pio/Kenny 8-9K with 2 sub pre out, ipod connection, front USB and BT. Pio 4390/7350 or Kenwood 546/449

2 pairs speakers: 8-9K Alpine SPS, JBL GT6 or Blapunnkt Thc/Thx

Damping: 2-4K

With the Thar I'd just get 4 6" Coaxes or better still get a pair of 6" components for the front and get a pair of 6x9 and stuff them into boxes in the rear. I had done something similar to an old Landy for a friend of mine in the late 80s.
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The damping you mention is for the doors? and what kind of material is it? I am not aware of the usual commercial audio shops doing this, but I could be wrong
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The damping you mention is for the doors? and what kind of material is it?
I would damp the doors and the hatch.

I think TBHP has a thread on this subject.
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/produc...er-thread.html

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/modifi...erial-car.html (Sound Proofing material for car)

and you can also read these
How to Choose Vibration Damping
Car Audio Tech: Damping Your Doors For Better Sound
Audio Wrap vs Second Skin vs Fatmat vs Sound Deadener Showdown vs Edead vs Dynamat vs
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1. My Car: NHC VTEC
2. Current setup: Alpine CDA 560, Component: JBL 265c, Rear Coax: JBL 947, Amp: Kenwood M845, Sub: JBL 1204B
3. Description of the problem: Right tweeter seems to have some issue. There is lot of noise\ unwanted sound specially on rough road (Something like khrr, khrr). I am not sure if tweeter has gone bad or there is some other issue. Has anyone faced such issue\ any solution for this. Please suggest.
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1. My Car: NHC VTEC
2. Current setup: Alpine CDA 560, Component: JBL 265c, Rear Coax: JBL 947, Amp: Kenwood M845, Sub: JBL 1204B
3. Description of the problem: Right tweeter seems to have some issue. There is lot of noise\ unwanted sound specially on rough road (Something like khrr, khrr).
If it only on rough road it might be a loose connection so check all RCA and speaker connections.
If it when you turn the volume up it maybe the woofer's surround. Remove the grills and see if the woofer surrounds are in good shape (no holes or tears).
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Thanks Navin. Yes it is only on rough roads and even at low volume. Will check the connection to speakers.
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Hi Navin,

I drive an OHC Vtec 2001 model. Have an Alpine HU CDE-100EUB and it states 50 Wattsx4 Amplifier (dont know what that means as i am noob). I want to change the speakers.
Front Door Speakers are 6" and Rear i want to install 6x9s. My budget for these 4 speakers is 8 - 10k.

One local accessory shop with whom i enquired offered 6x9 Infinity for 4.5k and JBL Component speakers for 6k.
I like Bass but not the hip hop style heavy ones but i want a good thump to reach my ears when i drive. I do not intend to have an Amp at this moment but my accessory guy said that Component speakers should have an Amp, is it true?

Could you suggest the best speakers i can go for? I used to have 6x9 MTX in my wagonR 3 years back and they sounded good. Can i for the time being have components at front and later add an amp if necessary?

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Front Door Speakers are 6" and Rear i want to install 6x9s. My budget for these 4 speakers is 8 - 10k.
If you want a good thump (but not hip hop type) then I would suggest go for any 400+ watts JBL 6*9 rear ovals. I had the GTO947 a year back and they were simply the best for all round performance and a good bass. For front, you can get JBL 6 inch speakers (not components) - the combined effect will be good and you will not require an amp. But yes, if you want a component at the front you will need an Amp.

The 2nd best option after JBL that i personally like are Kicker speakers, but they have a hip hop like thump and not as good for old rock and roll music as the JBL.
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Thanks Vizz,

In case i do install components at front without an Amp at the moment. will it degrade the sound or will it still sound as a normal coaxial front speaker. I plan to add an Amp maybe in a couple of months and hence asking this question w.r.t. the component speakers. i am very keen on components as i presume they are a notch higher than the regular ones.

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