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Old 9th October 2007, 16:40   #61
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ohh..... thats GT 5 there in question....the post above says GT4 though! and still the price of GT5 is 4990! then how come <4K?
GT4-12 = Rs.3990
GT5-12 = Rs.4990
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Guys take my word. This GT5 sub is really the best. I would really compare it with a Alpine Type X. Because you would not go up to so much volume to know the bass. If you do then your deaf.This sub packs the punch through the seat. It is like sitting in a resonating column. If you like Hip-Hop music just get this sub blindly. You will love it.
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I would really compare it with a Alpine Type X.
Lol, I love how excited you are on the install. Many congratulations! But let me tell you that there is not a single parameter based on which you can compare a Type X to a GT5-12. One actually - both are 12" subs. But I'm sure the GT5-12 is a banging sub for you to even make that statement.
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@Der Alte - The GT5 series monoblock may not be released after all. Let's see - I will keep you posted
*running back to search again for a decent 5-ch amp* Though looks are subjective, I kinda like the GT5 amp design - better than the older model. The 4ch and mono would have looked good together.

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This is a direct but truthful question. My answer is YES. The car audio market in India is dynamic and quick. With the CS series we were moving quickly.
A decision had to be taken and we took it and phased out CS amplifiers. However the GT5 series amplifiers were delayed in production and the end result is a few weeks of no Sub 10K JBL amplifiers.
As you can imagine, this is something we are working day and night to overcome.
Thanks, I can sense an 'honest' tone while reading it

All the best, Sam!
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Old 10th October 2007, 00:26   #66
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Wow - GT4-12 @4k !! Real VFM. Will there be a version with a sealed box? (like the CS1204B)

I wish some of our auto companies would do likewise. Reduce the price of the good old models and sell the new models at the old prices.
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Wow - GT4-12 @4k !! Real VFM. Will there be a version with a sealed box? (like the CS1204B)
The CS1204B is precisely that! It continues production. And the woofer without the box is now called CS1204.
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The CS1204B is precisely that! It continues production. And the woofer without the box is now called CS1204.
At the risk of repeating info that may already have been clarified.

The new CS1204 driver is the phased out GT4-12 driver. This CS1204 now costs 3990.

This means the new CS1204B driver is also the phased out GT4-12 driver.

My Q is - if it can be answered at this point of time - what would be the MRP of the new CS1204B? The rediff price of the old CS1204B is 7990.

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But let me tell you that there is not a single parameter based on which you can compare a Type X to a GT5-12.
Ya thats right Type X is totally in a different league. My brother has got it in his skoda. Actually 2 of it. Listening songs on it is like going to a hair dryer.
But actually i dont see a piont why we need so much bass. In increased volumes it is really good. But for just listening 1 sub is really good enough and why do we have 3times more than JBL GT5 for that. My statement might change when my brother gives that ICE to me in another 6months.

But i still i dont see a piont for a expensive setup.
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Well if you want to get technical
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The new CS1204 driver is the phased out GT4-12 driver. This CS1204 now costs 3990.
Absolutely correct.
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This means the new CS1204B driver is also the phased out GT4-12 driver.
The CS1204B driver has always been the CS1204. Never the GT4-12. The GT4-12 was rebadged and sold as a CS woofer driver for the box and tube-rather than create a brand new woofer for the CS1204. Sort of stayed with the CS tradition of adopting one gen old products and making it VFM. I think your confusion began because you assumed that the driver in the CS1204 series was badged a GT4 - it was not.

Now with the phasing out of the GT4 series, it makes no sense to continue with any GT4 line of products.
However both CS1204B and 1204T are current products, so the driver in them (The rebadged GT4-12) is now sold as CS1204. This brings the CS series products to 3 current products. Box, Tube and woofer.

There are also some GTO bass boxes, but that is for another thread.
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My Q is - if it can be answered at this point of time - what would be the MRP of the new CS1204B? The rediff price of the old CS1204B is 7990.
The price stays the same, as there is no change in the product.

I hope this explains it baba
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This brings the CS series products to 3 current products. Box, Tube and woofer.

There are also some GTO bass boxes, but that is for another thread.

The price stays the same, as there is no change in the product.

I hope this explains it baba
Umm .. errr .. allow me to bother you a bit more . I'll try to summarise again.
# So now the CS series Box, Tube and woofer have the same driver?
# This driver/woofer costs 3990 standalone?
# This same driver in a box costs 7990?

My confusion is - If the above points are correct, does it indicate that the box (enclosure) costs as much as the woofer driver?
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Umm .. errr .. allow me to bother you a bit more . I'll try to summarise again.
# So now the CS series Box, Tube and woofer have the same driver?
# This driver/woofer costs 3990 standalone?
# This same driver in a box costs 7990?

My confusion is - If the above points are correct, does it indicate that the box (enclosure) costs as much as the woofer driver?
Shuvc, I am replying because Sam had clarified my confusion with these once.

1. Yes and they've always had GT4-12 in them, but they had a CS tag attached to them.
2. Yes, without the box. Like saying GT4-12 is renamed CS1204 and priced at 3990
3. No idea with the box, but I paid close to that for my CS1204B.

Sam bhai will correct me wherever I'm wrong.
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The CS1204B driver has always been the CS1204. Never the GT4-12. The GT4-12 was rebadged and sold as a CS woofer driver for the box and tube-rather than create a brand new woofer for the CS1204. Sort of stayed with the CS tradition of adopting one gen old products and making it VFM. I think your confusion began because you assumed that the driver in the CS1204 series was badged a GT4 - it was not.

Now with the phasing out of the GT4 series, it makes no sense to continue with any GT4 line of products.
However both CS1204B and 1204T are current products, so the driver in them (The rebadged GT4-12) is now sold as CS1204. This brings the CS series products to 3 current products. Box, Tube and woofer.
...
I hope this explains it baba
Aiyyo.. You have now confused me as well :-). However reading what you have written another couple of times, tell me if my understanding is correct.

1. The woofer in CS1204B is the GT4-12 which *always* had a CS branding. Similarly for the tube.
2. There was no CS series woofer driver sold separately, all that was available was the GT4-12.
3. So with the coming of GT5, no GT4 products would be sold, therefore your product line changes FROM GT4-12, CS1204B, CS1204T to CS1204, CS1204B and CS1204T. The woofer has now dropped in price and has been rebadged as a CS1204. Technically (i.e. in specs) the woofer in the CS1204B and the GT4-12 are the same and now it will be called CS1204. Phew!!!
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Umm .. errr .. allow me to bother you a bit more . I'll try to summarise again.
# So now the CS series Box, Tube and woofer have the same driver?
# This driver/woofer costs 3990 standalone?
# This same driver in a box costs 7990?

My confusion is - If the above points are correct, does it indicate that the box (enclosure) costs as much as the woofer driver?
Correct. Logically the sealed box now costs 4K. It's still great value considering the box is made by JBL and not a random woodworker.
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1. Yes and they've always had GT4-12 in them, but they had a CS tag attached to them.
2. Yes, without the box. Like saying GT4-12 is renamed CS1204 and priced at 3990
3. No idea with the box, but I paid close to that for my CS1204B.
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1. The woofer in CS1204B is the GT4-12 which *always* had a CS branding. Similarly for the tube.
2. There was no CS series woofer driver sold separately, all that was available was the GT4-12.
3. So with the coming of GT5, no GT4 products would be sold, therefore your product line changes FROM GT4-12, CS1204B, CS1204T to CS1204, CS1204B and CS1204T. The woofer has now dropped in price and has been rebadged as a CS1204. Technically (i.e. in specs) the woofer in the CS1204B and the GT4-12 are the same and now it will be called CS1204. Phew!!!
Correct.

Everyone gets full marks today.

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that heatsink should be cast. given current levels of technolgoy you gain nothing but cost (mostly due to waste) on an extrusion.
Agreed. Plus, it would be atleast 3 extra steps to get it to look like this from an extrusion as opposed to cast. ("GT SERIES" lettering, raised central rectangle, cutout for JBL logo, and cast finish)

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And yes, the heat sink is die-cast ("guss") alu, not extruded.
What is "guss" ?

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