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Old 29th June 2009, 14:11   #196
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A little birdy told me you were contemplating HLCDs. Is that what you got?
Ah, such proliferation of garrulous avian life on this forum....yes indeed.
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Old 29th June 2009, 14:23   #197
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Passenger side and driver side horns respectively (please excuse battered driver-side floormat):
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Old 29th June 2009, 14:28   #198
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Dynaudio MW162GT running off a Genesis Dual Mono...the HLCDs run off 2 channels from the Genesis 4-channel that I already have, remaining 2 are bridged to the sub.
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Old 29th June 2009, 14:36   #199
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Default Boot,HU and supertweeters

Subwoofer is a Hertz Air Mille 15" running IB - this was put in several months ago.

Power wiring is kicker 0/1 ga.
RCAs and speaker cable are Connection Audison Sonus.

A single red neon located under the rear deck illuminates the boot.

Hertz HT20R supertweeters have been installed in the sail panel running off the HU via supplied passives.
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Just awesome! Welcome to the Mitsubishi + P80RS + HLCD club!

"Something you can live with" is incorrect. Very soon you will realize that it is "something you can't live without".

Active from the head unit or the Genny? What's the XO frequency/ slope in the mid-high band?
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Nice work done there. The horns are indeed something very unique thing in car audio. Have not listened to any other install till now except mine. So waiting to listen of yours.
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Just awesome! Welcome to the Mitsubishi + P80RS + HLCD club!
Haha, thank you - will the other members stand up and be counted please

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"Something you can live with" is incorrect. Very soon you will realize that it is "something you can't live without".
LOL I stand corrected

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Active from HU, 1.25khz from midbass to HLCD.
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Superb.

Errr... sirji, could you please do the honors of scaring the daylights out of lesser mortals by mentioning the individual prices? Looks like the (cumulative) ICE cost has crossed the cost of the car.

And sorry, pardon my saying so, the camera lens could do with a bit of spit and polish!
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Nice work done there. The horns are indeed something very unique thing in car audio. Have not listened to any other install till now except mine. So waiting to listen of yours.
LBM paaji i might be wrong but i think you have heard horn's in Gunbir paaji's car. Remember your SAGA thread where every one went basaltic about horny horns
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Superb.
Thanks guys! All due to the meticulous efforts of the folks @ BBW - and in this horrible Delhi weather too...

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The horns are indeed something very unique thing in car audio. Have not listened to any other install till now except mine. So waiting to listen of yours.
Quite so....lets plan a listening session one of these weekends...

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In a while....

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And sorry, pardon my saying so, the camera lens could do with a bit of spit and polish!
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....where every one went basaltic about horny horns
Basalt, as far as I am aware, is an extrusive volcanic rock. Didn't know that talking about car audio could turn people into stone....sounds like some obscure Greek myth
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Haha, thank you - will the other members stand up and be counted please
Yours Truly. Lancer + P80RS + full sized HLCD (different brand though)

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Active from HU, 1.25khz from midbass to HLCD.
Same pinch.
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Great upgrades there FB.
What's the cost of those horns? They look pretty good
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Congrats on the splendid ICE FB, It was a long journey to here and The end result is absolutely worth the whole effort.

I had a very very small audition of this setup and whatever I heard of it, It sounded something very very different from the usual setups. The Vocals were very very crisp clear and sharp, It was like the Singer is just in front of you, The Imaging soundstage was the best I have heard till date. and the best part was the way the setup was tuned, You can go on listen to it for hours and hours without feeling bored of it. Every new song you play and you get a smile on your face seeing the detailing in the song(s) this setup highlights or brings out.

The Dynaudio midbasses, These are something else, The Drum impact from this midbass makes you go OH MY GAWD. The midbass kick is something you need to listen to believe. dont know how many layers of damping must have gone in to stop that door pad from rattling, Had it been my Civic door pad, this would have shattered it into pieces
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Bravo! That's an awesome choice of equipments. Dyn's and Horn's are a perfect setup one could wish to have. I did read in some forum that you were planning for the horns and it's good to see it happened.

By the way which HLCD's are these? Are these the competition one CDULTRA, normal length or the mini? Does it come with the grill or it's custom made?

What frequency are you running over the supertweeter?

This one's on top of my wish list, when I come to Delhi would love to audition it.
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Active from the head unit or the Genny? What's the XO frequency/ slope in the mid-high band?
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Yours Truly. Lancer + P80RS + full sized HLCD (different brand though)
B&T/FB/LBM,

Disclaimer: the following is based on my expereinces with home audio rather than car audio but maybe the apprehensions is is still valid.

Did either of you guys have trouble integrating the horns HF section with the conventional midbass. In FB's case his horns do duty between a conventiona midbass and "super tweeter". In my experience I found that exponential horns gave the sound a very different timber that could not be matched by a conventional bass system making the horn feel more "in your face" and the bass section feel laid back.

I wonder if Sam too could help here. JBL/UREI/Altec/TAD has a lot of reasearch on horns and he's have access to all those papers. Sam there is a paper by Donald B. Keele (ex EV) maybe you have that too. I read it a long time back when my understanding of maths was not as profound as it is today. Would love to read it again.

Dont get me wrong I have heard many a horn system/driver that sounds good (Klipsch K-30/Kseries, Siemens, JBL, EV, Citec, Bozak, etc..) and even built a few using Focal (the horn was designed for a 7N303 but I stuffed a 7N313 instead), Peerless (837127) and even fabricated a metal horn for a Vifa 19mm dome to raise it's sensitivity to match the woofers it was being mated to.

The problems I have faced has more to do with the compression type drivers that B&T/FB seem to be using. I do not include the shorter/shallower horns in this.

A short/shallow tactrix horn will give you a 3-6db bump in sensitivity and these horns dont suffer as much from the 'in your face' of a compression driver at the end of a longer exponential horn.

My observations are hardly scientific but one guess is that the horns tend to accentuate some frequencies and make the frequency respoonse more ragged (not that most rooms dont do this). Maybe it is just that my ears are too used to the sound of conventional drivers (often heard near field) and the 'Scandanavian school of design' (ruler flat freq and power response, minimal phase variation, etc..). However that does not explain why I still love the Klipschorns (Belle, Corner, and La Scala) especially if powered with good SS power (Rowland 7Bs, McIntosh 275s, Threshold Statis etc..).

Maybe it is often the kind of music one listens to. Many forums have had users of horns complain that horns are great for pop/rock and stuff that demands a dynamic system but can be painfull on strings, horns and brass instruments.

Gurus, please help.

For those who want to start on horns here is a good place to start
Horn Design
in fact the LDSG is a great place to start for anything concerning loudspeakers.

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