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Old 5th December 2007, 20:41   #61
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Yikes I better change the abttery on my wife's car before she gets into trouble. Any verdict on Bosch Silver?
I have'nt tried any yet, will look into what they have to offer soon.
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Any verdict on Bosch Silver?
Last time I thought about replacing the battery, I went through this thread:

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techni...ery-brand.html


I had planned to buy Bosch silver after reading what Sam bhai said there:

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Yes, I have only good things to say about this battery.

However be advised that Bosch themselves do not manufacture and the Bosch silver battery is made, using bosch spcifications, drawings etc. By Amara Raja Batteries (Amaron)
I'm not saying it's the same battery. I'm saying that Amaron makes it for Bosch, the way they want it to be made.

And yes, Bosch silver battery for the lancer cost be some 2700/- or so. Excellent battery.
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what does the Big3 consist of? (pardon my ignorance)
Taken form soundomain...

As many of you know, upgrading the "Big 3" wires in your engine compartment can lower the overall resistance of your entire electrical system. The effects of the lower resistance are typically:
1) Reduced dimming and smaller voltage drops
2) More stable voltage and better current flow
3) Less strain on your vehicle's charging system
So for those of you looking for a cheap and easy way to upgrade your system and help out your electrical system without adding a high output alternator or an aftermarket battery, this is the modification for you. If you have heavy dimming or are getting large voltage drops during loud bass hits, but you don't have the money to spend on a high output alternator or a battery, upgrading your vehicle's "Big 3" will usually help to reduce and sometimes even eliminate the problems. So without further ado, the "Big 3" wires are:
1) Battery negative to chassis
2) Alternator to battery positive
3) Chassis to engine
Now, I suppose it would help if I explained what each of these wires does, and to do that I would like to paraphrase an explanation by IMTfox from a while ago: Think of your vehicle's charging system as two different circuits, one consisting of your amplifier and your battery, and the other consisting of your alternator and your battery. The current in your electrical system flows from your positive battery terminal to your amp, from your amp's ground to the chassis, and then from the chassis back to the negative battery terminal. But how does it get to the positive terminal in the first place? That's where the alternator comes in. Current in the second circuit flows from your alternator's positive post to the battery's positive terminal, then from the battery's negative terminal to the chassis, and from the chassis back to the block, which happens to be the grounding point for your alternator.
So, from your battery, you have the power wire going to the power terminal on your amplifier and then your amplifier is grounded to the chassis of the vehicle. From here the current needs a way to get back to the negative battery terminal, and that way is through the first of the "Big 3," the battery negative to chassis wire. Upgrading this wire will "upgrade" the circuit between your battery and your amp by giving the current a larger path to flow through to get back to the battery.
Now, think of your alternator as the battery and your battery as the amp. From the positive post on your alternator, you have the second of the "Big 3," the alternator to battery positive wire supplying "power" to your battery. From there the battery, just like your amp, is grounded to the chassis through the wire mentioned in the previous paragraph. Again, the current needs a way to get from the chassis back to the alternator's "negative terminal" and that way is through the last of the "Big 3," the chassis to engine wire. Since your alternator is most likely mounted to your engine block using a metal or conductive mounting bracket, you can simply add your new wire from the chassis to one of the mounting posts for the alternator. Upgrading these two wires will "upgrade" the circuit between your alternator and your battery, again giving the current a larger path to flow through.
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Now that you understand exactly what the "Big 3" do, it's time to upgrade them to a larger gauge wire. You can use regular power wire from installing your car audio equipment, ring terminals, and crimping equipment just the same as you would for any other install. Let's start with the first of the "Big 3," the battery negative to chassis wire:
1) Disconnect your battery's negative terminal and get the stock wiring out of the way. You might have to cut it and crimp a new ring terminal onto it. I found it helpful to use aftermarket battery terminals with multiple ports on them also.
2) Scrape away the paint and drill the hole for your connection of the larger wire, or connect it to the stock grounding point. Either way you do it, make sure it is bare chassis metal, not covered by paint, and that the connection is as tight and secure as possible:


3) Secure the new wire to the chassis and reconnect the vehicle's stock chassis ground, but DON'T reconnect the vehicle's negative battery terminal yet! You may find it helpful to cover the negative battery terminal with a cloth or other non-conductive material and just lay the terminal on it until you're ready to reconnect it later.
Moving on to the next of the "Big 3," let's upgrade the alternator to battery positive wire:
4) Locate the vehicle's alternator and look for a terminal post connected to it. The post shouldn't be hard to find. It should have only one wire connected to it, and it should lead to the positive terminal on the battery, possibly through the fuse box.

5) Disconnect the stock alternator to battery positive wire from the positive post and connect it to the post again with the new wire added.
6) Run the wire either through your fuse box if applicable or through a fuse. The fuse should be sized to match the max ampacity of your wire, not the output capability of your alternator. As you can see I just went through the fuse box, so my upgrade is probably not making as much of a difference as it could if it were fused externally, but my alternator is capable of withstanding the draws anyway so I'm not particularly worried about it. If I ever begin to see a problem w/ current draws, I will probably fuse the wire externally with a 300A or so fuse...
7) From the fuse, connect the wire to the positive terminal on your battery, again, leaving the stock wiring connected when you're done. The picture below shows the alternator to battery positive wire run from the alternator through my fuse box to the positive battery terminal.

Last, let's move to the chassis to engine wire: (Again, because your alternator is grounded to the block, all you need to do is find a bolt somewhere on the block and connect it to the chassis. The alternator's mounting bracket is usually a good place to find these bolts).
8) Again, either drill a new hole or connect this wire to the stock chassis ground. From the chassis ground, run the wire back to one of the mounting posts for the alternator (or to a bolt on the engine block).

9) That's it! You're done. Reconnect the vehicle's negative battery terminal and check out the difference! Below is a shot of the "Big 3" upgraded in my car. The other wire you see coming out of the battery's positive terminal is obviously my amp's power wire.

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Helpful hints:
1) Leave the stock wiring attached after you're done. Don't replace the stock wiring, add onto it. Current will take the path of least resistance anyway, so replacing the stock wire will only make more work for yourself.
2) When fusing your alternator to battery positive wire, fuse it toward the battery end of the wire. As IMTfox points out later in this thread, the battery will explode if it's overloaded, while the alternator will only burn out its regulator which won't cause much damage except to the alternator itself. Exploding batteries are no fun!
3) When crimping large gauge terminals for 1/0awg and sometimes even 4awg, a vice works well. Crimp one side of the terminal at a time, creating an overlapping edge. Put the boot around this and then wrap it in electrical tape if you want. the most secure connections will occur in this way.


4) Lastly, prepare all your materials and tools BEFORE you are ready to upgrade. Know what you are doing before you start so you can be done as quick as possible. The majority of vehicles have computers that will reset after the battery is disconnected for a long time and they can cause older vehicles to do strange things if they reset.
Hopefully this clears up most of the questions you had about why we upgrade the "Big 3" and how it helps to stop dimming and other electrical problems.
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Hey Amit, amazing stuff!!
Don't blow up your accent with that!
What woofers? solo barics by any chance?
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Thanks for the info LBM.. that clears out things and adds to my knowledgebase! I'm gonna upgrade the Big3 when time permits!

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Thanks for the info LBM.. that clears out things and adds to my knowledgebase! I'm gonna upgrade the Big3 when time permits!

Sure and do post the result here. What differnce did you found after the BIG 3
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Hey Amit, amazing stuff!!
Don't blow up your accent with that!
What woofers? solo barics by any chance?

No..not the solo barics..

But guys a major screw up happened this morning. I was expecting two 2 ohms DVCs woofers so that i run both of them giving final impedence of 2 ohms. This would have been a perfect match for the kicker zx2500.1 which is rated at 2500 x 2 at 2 ohms.


But unfortunately, the woofers i recieved are two 4 ohm DVCs. As we know connecting both of them , it possible to either get resultant 1 ohm (parallel) or 8 ohms (serial). Forget 8 ohms, the kicker zx2500.1 is not stable below 2 ohms. So, i fear that driving the subs might just blow away the mono amp channels.



Gunbir dont laugh.....(had a long discussion with him).

Other big problem is that the stuff is comming next week, so no time to place order for new amps and wait for it to get shipped. Moreover i cant change the subs to 2 ohms subs, as they will take 3 weeks to get delivered (handmade stuff), and my bro is comming next week.

So at the moment, i am just trying to get hold of the amp which does 2500 x 1 at 1 ohms OR two amps doing 1000 watts RMS at 2 ohms.Guys i know 1 ohm system is gonna be expensive for my car electricals, but again i am out of options. The reason going fo this 1 ohms stable amp is that, it avalible off the shelf (so no waiting time), but way way expensive that the kicker one.

So within a day or two, when i let u know what is this new amp.....it'll be a cake walk to guess woofers as they are the same brands.

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should have thought about this before placing an order...
if they have stuffed up..get them to pay for it..or accept your loss..live and learn
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iceman....i spoke to with the woofer manufacturer. He says they are ready for replacement, but as i said in my earlier post......i have time against me and the replacement is again gonna take 3-4 weeks.

My brother is comming down next week....so really dont have any more time.Moreover i feel bad to involve him(brother) in this stuff as his exams are going on.

So yes, i dont have options and as you said, i have to LIVE WITH IT.

Finally, doing all permutations and combinations...i am getting the 1 ohm stable amp. Fingers crossed and hope all goes good. And seriously hope than this new amp will be better than the zx2500.1.

Bye bye my zx2500.1 baby

So...now since its gonna be 1 ohm system.....Mentally, Electrically, Walletely, trying to prepare myself for it.
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somebody please solve my problem too. i have just bought a honda civic a month back and i am running a ID12" sub powered by the kenwood 900w rms amp at 2 ohms with stock HU. my headlights/tailights dance with heavy bass, they keep dimming during bass notes. i still have to install another 4 channel amp and components+coaxials. what should i do to solve the dimming lights problem. do you think buying a capacitor would solve it.
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well 1 ohm is really really good..so thats your silver lining
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well 1 ohm is really really good..so thats your silver lining
I am running STEG at 1 ohms and 1200 watts to each sub and the amp is rated at 11 volts.
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I am running STEG at 1 ohms and 1200 watts to each sub and the amp is rated at 11 volts.
Wow!! never knew that you too running a 1 ohms system.....and that to all on stock swift electricals!!

Really LBM felt good after reading your post . I was really very very thought ful and reluctant about going to 1 ohms.

Cheers LBM!!
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well 1 ohm is really really good..so thats your silver lining
i hope its really good....just a few more days to go, and you'll know it all. Let me just recieve the new amp, will post details about it.
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I was expecting two 2 ohms DVCs woofers
But unfortunately, the woofers i recieved are two 4 ohm DVCs. As we know connecting both of them , it possible to either get resultant 1 ohm (parallel) or 8 ohms (serial).
wait a minute. you got 2 woofers each having 2 coils of 4 ohms. why not wire them to result in 4 omhs. the kicker amp will thank you.

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somebody please solve my problem too. i have just bought a honda civic a month back and i am running a ID12" sub powered by the kenwood 900w rms amp at 2 ohms with stock HU. my headlights/tailights dance with heavy bass, they keep dimming during bass notes. .
1. change the big 3
2. check your alternator and battery throughly
3. if the dimming still bothers you add a 1-2F cap (rule of thumb is 1F per KW since you will exceed 1KW after you add your second amp 2 F might be "it").
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