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Old 24th April 2008, 22:07   #31
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One of the messages here says you go and check with an "expert" in Bangalore for the speakers. (Not using any names).
I contacted the Expert in Bangalore and he told me that I should go
for AD speakers, they are best and give good bass without Amps.

Am little confused with the replies here beating AD.

Can ya help?
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Old 25th April 2008, 09:28   #32
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Would rather suggest Boston Acoustics or JL Audio .... these should be able to get you better valus for the buck spent. And you could probably drive down to Bangalore and get the works done by Anwer.
Yes;
I like BA too;
But Why Anwar for such a basic basic job ?
Please do enlighten !

No JL Audio;
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Old 25th April 2008, 11:10   #33
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... Am little confused with the replies here beating AD. ...
If you do some more general reading in the ICE section, you will see a lot of different issues and opinions - for and against - on a lot of brands.

The general average experience has been better with brands which have been installed in large numbers (JBL, Infinity, Blaupunkt, Hertz, Illusion, BA, Polk...).

The sales strategy of the ones that find hardly any mention (not even marketing) anywhere in the print, electronic or internet media, such as AD (search and you will find mention of some more deadly indecipherable names) etc., is individual retailers pushing these products against attractive incentives / margins. In these cases, to the seller, it does not matter whether the brand is AD, DA, AC or DC. The pitch to the unsuspecting user is just so that the seller can divest himself of the stuff.
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I have following set up in my alto now
Pioneer Deh-3050
JBL GT5-402 co aux in the front (will upgrade to components soon)
JBL GTO-937 in rear
JBL CS1204 sub in 1.3cuft sealed enclosure
CS 60.2 in bridged mode driving CS1204 sub
SCHOSHE 17ft RCA
Teflon coated power wire for AMP (can easily carry 60A current)
The HU has 2 preout i am using rear pre out for sub, when i turn on SW out in HU my sub works good but the reare speakers also gives bass which i want to avoid (If i turn off SW SUB will not sound good).
I have kept AMP gain at 60% and BASS BOOST full LPF on FRQ at mid way.Need some tuning tips and suggessions
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Old 25th April 2008, 18:30   #35
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Thankx DerAlte!! Now I am paranoid about AD.

I am going in for the following for my Dad's i10. He is a DVD Movie
buff.

1. JVC AUX-800 [2 DIN DVD Player]
2. Front Components: Illusion Electra EL6.1 or Infinity Kappa
3. Rear - Illusion Electra/Infinity Kappa 6x9 coaxial

For Later (In exact Order)
1. Audison Amps (4 Ch)for the Rear.
2. ID Subs - With the Above Audison Amps

I will get this fixed by Anwar (Bangalore), my Civic was done there.

Do we need Tweeters after all this? Please comment.
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Do we need Tweeters after all this? Please comment.
No additional tweeters are required with the systems you are planning.
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Old 25th April 2008, 19:11   #37
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when you buy a speakers please go through the specifications and compare it with other brands
Ideally listen to them yourself and then compare it with the others you've heard.

Now that we're talking about 6x9 component systems. Here's my take on problems with 6x9 co-axials:

Consider a situation in a car in which 6x9 co-axials need to be mounted horizontally as in the case of most installs where you have a tray in a hatchback or a parcel shelf in the case of a sedan.

Out of my personal experience I've realised that here in India, we have a whole lot of dust in the air which settles down on the speaker cone. It enters the gap from where the tweeter mounting stand comes out. [In the case of components, we'd have no such gap since there would be a dust cap]
Now when dust enters this gap, it enters the voice coil and thus the cone doesn't move freely. You get a khrrr khrrr sound when you try and move the cone manually.

I just hope speaker manufacturers consider our dust conditions and design 6x9s in such a way so that this problem would not occur.

I think the JBL T595 limited 6x9s had a very unique design for mounting the tweeters. If i'm not wrong, they were mounted with a cantilever type of arrangement from the front frame of the basket. Thus there was a dust cap to prevent dust from entering the voice coil.

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... Here's my take on problems with 6x9 co-axials:
... Thus there was a dust cap to prevent dust from entering the voice coil.
Doesn't sound logical that the dust is entering the annular gaps either side of the voice coil (between VC and magnet) from the front - there is always either the dust cap, or a foam ring around the tweeter mount!

One would think that the dust gets carried in from the bottom (below the spider) via the 'cooling' mechanism. Air is alternately sucked in and pushed out through annular gaps when the cone and VC go up and down. The solution would be the simple foam shrouds that Navin is using below his rear speakers (in his Skoda); even thin muslin or dupatta cloth will do at a pinch, I guess.
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1. JVC AUX-800 [2 DIN DVD Player]
2. Front Components: Illusion Electra EL6.1 or Infinity Kappa
3. Rear - Illusion Electra/Infinity Kappa 6x9 coaxial


Do we need Tweeters after all this? Please comment.

adding additional tweeters will defeat the purpose of putting in an Illusion speaker in the first place. If you planning to Watch movies both Illusion electras and the Kappas will be good, Kappas being the brighter sounding speaker and much costlier.

So where are you buying the Infinity Kappas from ?? what is the price ?
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Old 26th April 2008, 16:54   #40
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Thankx, so no Tweeters. Great.

The Hyundai guy was quoting 7K for the 6x9 Rear ones of Infinity. I plan to buy from Anwar (Auto fusion) itself. I am ok if he charges me little extra, I just want to go by the trust from his side. Will let you know the final pricing before I buy in couple of days.

The JVC unit is Rs. 27,500 with Warranty (Rs. 24,000 - Grey market)
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Thankx, so no Tweeters. Great....
The tweeters come bundled in the set. That's what a set of 'components' are: a pair of mid-bass + a pair of tweeters + 2 cross-overs.
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Thankx, so no Tweeters. Great.

The Hyundai guy was quoting 7K for the 6x9 Rear ones of Infinity. I plan to buy from Anwar (Auto fusion) itself. I am ok if he charges me little extra, I just want to go by the trust from his side. Will let you know the final pricing before I buy in couple of days.

The JVC unit is Rs. 27,500 with Warranty (Rs. 24,000 - Grey market)
I don't think those are infinity Kappas you were offered by Hyundai cos they dont sell officially in India. They must be the reference series.
And the JVC AVX800 come with goodwill warranty for 27500 , not official. I think you are in good hands, he is a pretty good installer.
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Doesn't sound logical that the dust is entering the annular gaps either side of the voice coil (between VC and magnet) from the front - there is always either the dust cap, or a foam ring around the tweeter mount!
As far as I can recollect, the JBL 937s do not have such a foam ring and nither did my previous JBL 936s.

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One would think that the dust gets carried in from the bottom (below the spider) via the 'cooling' mechanism. Air is alternately sucked in and pushed out through annular gaps when the cone and VC go up and down. The solution would be the simple foam shrouds that Navin is using below his rear speakers (in his Skoda); even thin muslin or dupatta cloth will do at a pinch, I guess.
could you please explain that, I haven't really undersood.
Navin, it would be great if you could post some pictures.
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Navin, it would be great if you could post some pictures.
Me? post pictures? I think Rags has them (the pics) not me.
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Here you go Shrivzy, you can see the pics here:
https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/sound...avin-s-rs.html
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