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Old 18th February 2008, 12:19   #16
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I was thinking the same thing, also the audison amp u suggestd has a 4x65w rms (correct me if am wrong) whereas the hertz speakers are capable of around 100w; will it be enough to get all the power from them. Won't they distort at higher volumes (not that im gonna listen at those sound levels),...
Those speakers will do much better with a better amp, no doubt. But the SRx4 will drive them quite decently (and more). And the combo will not distort at high volumes. Pucca. I didn't mention better amps simply because there is a limit to extending your budget, even here in TBHP ICE heh, heh.

Don't worry about the wattage ratings too much. Not that they are irrelevant, but when a good amp (any good amp) gets matched with a good speaker (any good speaker), the result will sound really good. I'm oversimplifying here, I know, but to me the result is what matters.

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Also I was curious as to what would you have recommended to some1 with infinite budget looking for a SQ system (basically I am asking for your dream SQ setup )
Well, no matter how much I drool over other setups, I'm very happy with my current setup. Well, *cough* maybe an upgrade of my front stage to HSK163s won't hurt. Nor will *cough* losing the rears, adding an SRX2 classic, and going active .

But at the end of the day, I'm running what is very very close to my dream setup (w.r.t. my current dreams, my current taste in music, and well, my current bank balance).

I say "very very close", because I'm human too, heh, heh. The trick to happiness/satisfaction/contentment here is to know that exact point where your bank balance ends, and insanity begins.
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autolycus have you heard Illusions Electra kya ? They are 6.5k speakers but they sound very nice for the price they are sold and they have laid back sound. I think they must be priced at 10k as they sound so good. Few Delhi members have them in there car. I would suggest first listen to few setup before deciding. It might be that what other likes you many not like.
I heard, they are on the brighter side. Not sure though. Maybe B&T can confirm. But i really need to audition them soon.

autolycus, i would go with hydra's suggestion. For the ICE, not the car

And, if you really want good SQ, you need a sub as well. for your swift, you can get an ID12 or IDQ10. i think these should be around 13-15k.

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Old 18th February 2008, 15:17   #18
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I heard, they are on the brighter side. Not sure though. Maybe B&T can confirm. But i really need to audition them soon.

you can get an ID12 or IDQ10. i think these should be around 13-15k.
Electra are bright !!! ,

Who said that I wanna know !!!!

For 13-15k there are lot more good option to choose for a SQ sub.
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And the combo will not distort at high volumes. Pucca.
I don't agree. Even best of the best amps and speaker combo can distort at high volumes. Because distortion is not due to speakers and amps it is because of tunning and what do you think is loud.
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I heard, they are on the brighter side. Not sure though. Maybe B&T can confirm. But i really need to audition them soon.
Hi Clip, what exactly would be a bright tweeter according to you? (Also, who did you hear this from? )

Is it -

a. A tweeter that is natural sounding yet audibly far louder than the midwoofer, hence mismatched sensitivity wrt the midwoofer

OR

b. A tweeter that is harsh or peaky in certain frequencies, causing colored sound and hence a very unnatural high frequency response.

For (b), there is no remedy unless you change the tweeter to a better one, and then make crossover modifications or something to ensure that it mates well with the midwoofer. This is more common with poor component systems.

(a) can be caused by the tweeter being closer to the listening position than the midwoofer, something that can be solved by using tweeter attenuation. This is a more likely occurence due to installation limitations.

I can guarantee you that the Electra tweeter doesnt fall in category (b). Feel free to plot the tweeter with Melissa or the like and publish results here as compared to your ideal tweeter. Or I could do it.

As for (a), the -3dB attenuation will not be of much help if you choose to install the tweeter on some location like the B pillars. But for many other sensible locations, this works fine.

Anyone wanting to refute this could please bring along a component system of your choice available in India at upto twice the price of the Electra and I am open to doing an A-B test to show that the Electra system will have comparable if not better response, duly accompanied by data like both tweeters plots.
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Anyone wanting to refute this could please bring along a component system of your choice available in India at upto twice the price of the Electra and I am open to doing an A-B test to show that the Electra system will have comparable if not better response, duly accompanied by data like both tweeters plots.
I am in for this one. And I think Electra will win every time.
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And I think Electra will win every time.
Maybe, maybe not. That is not the point of my post, so I hope people dont misunderstand.

Also, I readily agree that people may prefer something else by listening depending on listening preferences whether brighter or uh.. dimmer!

I am just saying that it is not as quoted, i.e. "bright" in whichever way that is interpreted.
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Maybe, maybe not. That is not the point of my post, so I hope people dont misunderstand.

Also, I readily agree that people may prefer something else by listening depending on listening preferences whether brighter or uh.. dimmer!

I am just saying that it is not as quoted, i.e. "bright" in whichever way that is interpreted.
I agree to Ajay Bhai. But I have not heard a single component kit below 13k mark that good. Electra at 6.5k mark is a steal.
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Hi Clip, what exactly would be a bright tweeter according to you? (Also, who did you hear this from? )

Is it -

a. A tweeter that is natural sounding yet audibly far louder than the midwoofer, hence mismatched sensitivity wrt the midwoofer

OR

b. A tweeter that is harsh or peaky in certain frequencies, causing colored sound and hence a very unnatural high frequency response.

For (b), there is no remedy unless you change the tweeter to a better one, and then make crossover modifications or something to ensure that it mates well with the midwoofer. This is more common with poor component systems.

(a) can be caused by the tweeter being closer to the listening position than the midwoofer, something that can be solved by using tweeter attenuation. This is a more likely occurence due to installation limitations.

I can guarantee you that the Electra tweeter doesnt fall in category (b). Feel free to plot the tweeter with Melissa or the like and publish results here as compared to your ideal tweeter. Or I could do it.

As for (a), the -3dB attenuation will not be of much help if you choose to install the tweeter on some location like the B pillars. But for many other sensible locations, this works fine.

Anyone wanting to refute this could please bring along a component system of your choice available in India at upto twice the price of the Electra and I am open to doing an A-B test to show that the Electra system will have comparable if not better response, duly accompanied by data like both tweeters plots.
A bright tweeter according to me? Without listening, i cannot judge. i would say, the tweets i have(Hertz Energy) fall in the category A.

Do you think i would install the tweets on the B pillar or some where close? are you trying to say im out of my senses? lol


Regarding who said this. i dont remember the guys name, i met him at the meet. He is a sikh. He was saying, he's gonna switch over to Hertz components as he finds the Electras on the brighter side. It would be great if the guy can confirm here.

Regarding my earlier post, i said "I heard, they are on the brighter side. Not sure though. Maybe B&T can confirm. But i really need to audition them soon."

If i really was sure its bright, i wouldn't have asked for your opinion. I trust you and that is why asked for your opinion. :-) And you are asking me to compare? kya bhai? When i audition them, i would definitely let you know how i find them. You can send me a pair of electras to make that quick lol.

@ LBM,

Why are you always trying to have a competition? There is no Absoulute in audio. And i just said what i heard. And the guy i think is a friend of yours IIRC. I could be wrong.

And please do let me know better sq subs in that price. i would love to listen to them.

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Do you think i would install the tweets on the B pillar or some where close? are you trying to say im out of my senses? lol
Lol. Didnt mean Mr. Rishabh Sehgal DIY-Specialist by "you". I think you should replace all the "you"s above with "one". I just meant to stress the point that generally if the tweeter is so much closer to the listener than the midwoofer, no amount of attenuation would help balance it out.

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Regarding who said this. i dont remember the guys name, i met him at the meet. He is a sikh. He was saying, he's gonna switch over to Hertz components as he finds the Electras on the brighter side. It would be great if the guy can confirm here.
Sounds like LBM... grrr. But seriously, this must be one of LBM's friends I would presume. Kya locha hai LBM Maharaj?
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I agree to Ajay Bhai. But I have not heard a single component kit below 13k mark that good. Electra at 6.5k mark is a steal.

please stop saying that!!
im scared ajay ji will increase the prices if he gets convinced of it!
P.S : im gettin EL 6.1 myself but waiting for my car
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please stop saying that!!
im scared ajay ji will increase the prices if he gets convinced of it!
P.S : im gettin EL 6.1 myself but waiting for my car
I've heard quite a bit about these speakers. Any ideas on where in Mumbai I can go to audition them? Need to put an amp and a pair of components in my next upgrade.....
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Why are you always trying to have a competition? There is no Absoulute in audio. And i just said what i heard.
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Sounds like LBM... grrr. But seriously, this must be one of LBM's friends I would presume. Kya locha hai LBM Maharaj?
Manner of speaking, bhai logo, not a prejudiced competition attempt. Imagine if LBM were to be one of those eternally betting Thai's instead who goes "lagi shart 100-100 ki" (in Thai, of course)!
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I don't agree. Even best of the best amps and speaker combo can distort at high volumes. Because distortion is not due to speakers and amps it is because of tunning and what do you think is loud.
I agree completely It depends on what is meant by 'Loud', and how the amp and speaker are setup/tuned.

If we push the combo to a point that is beyond enjoy-music-loud, it might distort. Since our friend mentioned "SQ" setup, I'd assume that "loud" for him (as it is for me) would be a point where the volume is high, within sane limits, and within that point where the music remains music and does not degenerate into gimme-that-earplug-pronto-noise.
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I heard, they are on the brighter side. Not sure though. Maybe B&T can confirm. But i really need to audition them soon.
May be the guy who made that statement is slightly bright. I can vouch for the fact that most of the Pune team-bhpians are running this component set. They chose this set after auditioning for long hours, etc and no one has termed it bright by any standards. If you want a consensus just make a few posts in each of these threads:

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/sound-...lowing-sq.html

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/sound-...-part-2-a.html

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/sound-...zed-swift.html

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/sound-...rk-begins.html

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/sound-...-4-1-alto.html

Apart from these guys the best response we ever managed to hear was in the Ford Ikon of swale84. It will put many a component sets to shame. I don't know if it is acoustics or not but we believe in our ears and none of us here in Pune have been disappointed. Shrivz is using Illusion Electra XO's and Electra tweeters in his Baleno and these tweeters replaced the JBL 506 component tweeters to make it less bright.

That said your ears are your best judge. Please go ahead and audition and you'll replace your existing set for sure (I don't know what you run) .

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And please do let me know better sq subs in that price. i would love to listen to them.
At what price? May be I can help.
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