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Old 20th May 2008, 09:55   #16
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^^^ ... and then there is the mid too, Navin. @nura has 3-way's!!!
3ways are just an eextention of 2 ways. The availble locations are the same. few cars have stock locations for a midrange and of those that do most have place the tweeter and mid too far apart.

installing a 3 way in most cars almost dictates building custom fiberglass housings (on the dash or door) that can accomodate both drviers. Almost evry good souding install I have heard has used this method. One option is to place the midrange high on the door (close to the AC vent) and the tweeter on the A pillar.

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There's an Innova project in the oven at a place I know about, that will be having some serious stuff installed this way (3-way comps running active).
Can you introduce the owner of that innova to TBHP?

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Navinji,
i had done couple of active systems in a very low budget,but nothing for the car - could you explain the difference in car and home listening experience.
When parked in the sun, a car's enviroment is like a glasshouse, you usually drive with a lot of ambient traffic and road noise. The speaker locations provided by most manufactueres are not even close to ideal (in most cases it is an afterthought). There are a lot of hard reflecting surfaces. Even electrically there are a host of noises from Alternator whine to hiss that can creep in the the system. Most listeners are too close to one speaker and too far from the other speakers.
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Old 20th May 2008, 14:07   #17
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Doc, is the Accent under consideration?

What are the speaker placement options in the Accent?
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Old 20th May 2008, 23:41   #18
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Nura..although going a bit OT... im curius where in kolkata do you get components/amps installed? There used to be Mirania ..im talking about 10-15 yrs ago.. but what is the ICE scene there now?
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Old 27th May 2008, 14:44   #19
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Thank you for the wonderful replies.
I took a walk during my lunch-break a couple of days ago to Mohan Motors, a Maruti dealership just around the corner from my office, to gather some more information on the Dzire.
Contrary to what I had posted, no variant of the Dzire has stock locations for tweeters. They are there in the SX4 but not in the Dzire.
The Vxi, Zxi, Vdi & Zdi variants come with preinstalled ICE. The integrated HU, although single-DIN, has a large face-plate, which would make transplantation into a Santro extremely difficult, if not impossible. I could buy the Lxi, which comes without ICE. The Lxi, however, also comes without power windows & central locking & if I get the genuine Maruti ones fitted, the Dezire will cost about 31K more than the Ford Ikon, which, on the other hand, comes prefitted with power windows & central locking. As of now, I am swaying a little towards the Ikon.
I hope to test-drive the Ikon early next week, although I will probably be looking harder at the door cards & A pillars than the tacho & speedo.
@shuvc – I really love the huge front & rear overhangs of the Accent. Unfortunately, both my wife & I have a touch of arthritis in the knees & the low seats in the Accent are a little awkward for us.
@sk456 – Many Kolkata Team-BHP members are happy with Glix, Alipore.
To get my system installed, I had to rope in Hyundai mechanics to dissemble & reassemble the car, a taxi-garage mechanic to gas-cut the doors, a machine-shop technician to counter-sink the screws into the spacer rings, a freelancer, who used to work with Mirania, to install the wiring & speakers & someone from the Alpine service centre to install the HU. Of course none of this would have been possible without the help of many Team-BHP gurus & members, one of whom I disturbed by telephone at fairly uncomfortable hours. A very big thank you to all of them.
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Old 28th May 2008, 12:53   #20
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@ nura

I am a very happy n satisfied owner of a Swift Dzire vxi. The car is quite smooth to drive should give decent mileage (currently 9.5 kmpl with AC in City; only 500 km done) also being decently powerfully. Ikon belongs to the last decade compared to Swift Dzire (Driven an Ikon 1.3 for long stretches in the past). Dzire is a very feature rich car. BUT MARUTI SPOILT THE ENTIRE FUN BY PROVIDING THEIR SO CALLED "ICE" in vxi/vdi & zxi/zdi.

I am one of the most dissatisfied with it. Stock HU n four 5.25" speakers sounded decent in the showroom. But when I started listening to my regular kind of music (Pop/Techno) I really felt the diff. Trust me the entire system put together is not worth more Rs. 5000.

Well the front door can easily take 6.5" (on a mdf spacer ring) maruti is providing a custom plastic ring to fit in 5.25".
Rear parcel shelf has the same 5.25" cut in the metal. 6.5" can fit provided you cut the metal to size and also will have to use a thinner mdf ring as the mounting surface is uneven.
Lastly the Nippon HU. The output is crappy. U cannot control the sound stage except the Bass/Treble settings & to change the same an entire panel will have to be changed. Don't know how it will look after that.

I am not saying that you cannot replace the entire setup by forgetting that you got any ICE along with the car but the custom size locations which they have provided (HU/Rear parcel shelf) really annoy.

Will let you know my current ICE latr.

Sorry for the long post Mods, I had this in me since long. Had to take it out.
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Old 30th May 2008, 13:25   #21
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@ ragzv - Thanks for the detailed information on the Dzire. I guess I should consider the Lxi, then.
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Have you decided on the DZire? Or will it be the Ikon? Saw another thread mentioning a possible facelift of the Ikon over the next couple of months.
Is the Ford Fusion under consideration?

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To get my system installed, I had to rope in Hyundai mechanics to dissemble & reassemble the car, a taxi-garage mechanic to gas-cut the doors, a machine-shop technician to counter-sink the screws into the spacer rings, a freelancer, who used to work with Mirania, to install the wiring & speakers & someone from the Alpine service centre to install the HU. Of course none of this would have been possible without the help of many Team-BHP gurus & members, one of whom I disturbed by telephone at fairly uncomfortable hours. A very big thank you to all of them.
Phew ! And now you have go and do it all over again !
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Old 30th May 2008, 14:34   #23
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Have you decided on the DZire? Or will it be the Ikon?
I haven't decided yet. Any help will be sincerely appreciated. Hope to test-drive both soon.
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Saw another thread mentioning a possible facelift of the Ikon over the next couple of months.
Can I request you for a link?
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Is the Ford Fusion under consideration?
I believe the Fusion is a great vehicle. However, I've driven hatchbacks for so long now that I want to switch to a sedan.
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Phew ! And now you have go and do it all over again !
If I opt for the Dzire, I'll probably not need to do it for 6 months.
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I haven't decided yet. Any help will be sincerely appreciated. Hope to test-drive both soon.

Can I request you for a link?

If I opt for the Dzire, I'll probably not need to do it for 6 months.
This has some spy shots. Seems almost similar - but still .. if you decide on an Ikon, makes sense to get the latest avatar.

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/indian...-spy-pics.html

If you need help with the DZire TD and subsequent booking/delivery, let me know.

What is the max budget for the new car? The Verna is supposedly a nice car to ICE.
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Old 30th May 2008, 16:13   #25
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Thanks, shuvc. I'm trying to cap it at around 500k.
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Old 30th May 2008, 22:01   #26
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Hey Shuvo,

Pics are of a Fiesta not Ikon. Even I was hearing of a face lifted Accent since last year. God knows when it will be out.

@ Nura, within the next six months given your budget your options among the Sedans should be:
1. New Indigo CS (common rail engine) To be launched very soon.
2. New Ikon
3. New Accent
and 4. Swift Dzire

Now, new Ikon and Accent should be due within this year or else Dzire will totally dry their sales up. Buying an Ikon now will be a BIG NO NO as the old models resale will become ........ in short very scary, if not already scary enough!!!
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Old 31st May 2008, 17:54   #27
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The Ikon that Ford India is exporting to South Africa resembles the Fiesta. Take a look at this link.
The brand new Ford Ikon reviewed here
I test drove the Dzire Vdi & was impressed with the diesel engine but not with the appearance of the HU, speaker grilles & power window switches. Have asked them to bring the petrol version for a test drive as that's what I might buy. Mohan says there is a waiting period of 3 months for the Dzire.
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for 5L, the indigo CS would be a perfect match , maybe the Dicor.
You'll get 5.25" door locations ( can be used to fit 6 inchers)
4 inch dash locations , and you can place the tweeter next to them.

Woofer mounting location

Tweeter & midbass can go here i suppose

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Old 5th June 2008, 13:51   #29
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I would guess that when designing a fibreglass enclosure for a cone midrange & a tweeter, practicality & aesthetics would play very important roles. I would like to ask the gurus if the Thiele Small parameters of the cone midrange also need to be considered.
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Hey doc, stumbled on this thread just now. Didn't know you were in the market for a new car. I have got to sample the Santro ICE at least once! Been pending too darn long. I think I'll come knocking on your door soon
As for the car, I'd advise against the Ikon... been around a long, long time. The Fusion (halfway between a sedan and a hatch) is a great VFM car. You may have seen my uncle's Fusion... he has been very pleased with it.
With fuel prices skyrocketing, a diesel would not be a bad idea either. The Indigo CS comes to mind. Regarding the Dzire, I know that the ICE offerings are not too good in the higher variants, but do keep in mind the other features that you may get in those, say for example, some additional safety features.
Will get in touch with you soon.
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