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Old 1st April 2007, 18:28   #31
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I feel Navin's advise is extremely valid. He keeps telling everyone to trust their own ears. I tried it too. And realised something else. One should also understand the limitations of one's ears - i.e. the capability of discerning good audio and spend accordingly.

I realised the limitations of my ears, when Sam mentioned that the OEM Kenwood speakers on my car were crap. They sounded fine to me though.

The other day while playing around with the HU settings, I was playing each speaker separately. I found that the active sub seemed to be connected to the rear right speaker. I was hearing the bass from the sub when playing that speaker. Now I'm not sure if that is how it should be wired - but a gut feeling says it should not be.

However, I had not felt anything odd for more than a year ! Given that such are the capabilities of my ear, would I be able to understand the difference wrt to a better system and installation - say a notch above mine ? Maybe not. So the point is that inspite of my system being what it is - I've had many hours of happy listening. The current cheap setup sounds fine to my ears. Hence I'm not really missing having a better system.

My settings are normally this
Loudness - off
Low - 0db
Mid - +2db
High - 0db
Sub Vol - 60% of max - I have a sub volume control for the Soomoku (can my system get any more Yuck from an audiophile's perspective ? )
HU Volume - 60%
Balance - 0
Fad - 0 to 5 on a scale of 15 towards the fronts (Keep tweaking this - dunno why)

The music distinctly happens at the back seat - staging, I believe is the word. This is fine with me, since too much in my face audio tends to affect my driving reactions.
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Old 1st April 2007, 19:04   #32
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If you have JBL components, there is a jumper inside for the highs only, that has 2 choices 0 and +3db. I suspect your highs are set at +3db, put them to zero immediately.
Thanks for the info Sam, I'll do that..
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Old 1st April 2007, 21:18   #33
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Ears dont have limitations. It's whatt between them that does. You dont have to make your ears work just get into the soul of the music. Just go with the flow.

If you find your foot tappin to the beat you know you have found the holy grail. After almost 40 years tinkering with audio I have found that the Holy Grail is not outside but INSIDE.
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Old 1st April 2007, 23:46   #34
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Thanks LBM,
Just trying to understand what music to the gurus is all about.
ism; We have to make our ears work for us, don't we?
I would say listen to your setup for hours and hours...and then tune if required which you feel is the perfect setting.....

adjusting to anyone other adjustment is of no way to tune the system...
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If you have JBL components, there is a jumper inside for the highs only, that has 2 choices 0 and +3db. I suspect your highs are set at +3db, put them to zero immediately.
Hey Sam, I am using the 5.25 components gto series....can I get more details on how to set this jumper? Do I need to open the crossovers?? (warranty?? )
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IN most components there will be 2 tabs on the crossover you can connect the +ve of teh tweeter to. No it does not void your warranty. Not unless you do Open the crossover box. Hey that reminds me that all my speaker warranties are void! :-(
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So far this is the best I've come up with on my Pioneer P1Y:
Loud - Off
High - minus 2
Mid - Flat
Low - plus 1
SLA - 0
Moreover I realised that the components were sounding shrill only when I set the fader to the front..
Don't remember the parametric eq settings, will check them and post..
My system was tuned by Determinus. We turned off the rear speakers from the headunit to only use the 6x9's as woofers.

Loud - Mid
High - 0
Mid - 0
Low - 0
SLA - 2
EQ - Flat.
HPF - 80Hz

The HU is a Pioneer 7650. The front speakers are Infinity Reference 5010 cs. The rears are crappy Alpine S-Types.

Any advice on tuning the system further for SQ? I listen to Matsuri - Kitaro to know if I am getting some good SQ. This track was introduced to me by Sam when he auditioned the Infinity prototypes in his Verna. I am getting very close without amps but not there yet.
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My system was tuned by Determinus. We turned off the rear speakers from the headunit to only use the 6x9's as woofers.

Loud - Mid
High - 0
Mid - 0
Low - 0
SLA - 2
EQ - Flat.
HPF - 80Hz

The HU is a Pioneer 7650. The front speakers are Infinity Reference 5010 cs. The rears are crappy Alpine S-Types.
Sir I would recommend that you swtich off the loundess feature as even with mid setting it will enhance the bass and treble.....keep it off is a good option.....

And for SLA (source level adjuster) it is a type of gain which is used to adjust the sound between different sources of the HU like radio, cd , cd changer....it does not alter or change the sound in any way....I would take it as a simple volume control.......

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Installation moral... which cables are you using? how are the joints made?

these things put together make a lot of difference...

P.S. I still remember the time when I had set ur system, loud - high, bass - +4, mid - +4, etc..

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IN most components there will be 2 tabs on the crossover you can connect the +ve of teh tweeter to. No it does not void your warranty. Not unless you do Open the crossover box. Hey that reminds me that all my speaker warranties are void! :-(
No its not. Atleast not because you just opened the cover of the crossover housing and replaced it back. A lot of crossovers have a tweeter attenuation switch inside the housing, and still others like the Illusion have jumpers, combinations of which provide upto 9 different attenuation settings. Both these types have to be accessed by opening the cover. In your case, the warranty is void because you change every single electronic component inside it to something else.

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Sir I would recommend that you swtich off the loundess feature as even with mid setting it will enhance the bass and treble.....keep it off is a good option....
Sure sir, I will turn it off!

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And for SLA (source level adjuster) it is a type of gain which is used to adjust the sound between different sources of the HU like radio, cd , cd changer....it does not alter or change the sound in any way....I would take it as a simple volume control.......
Keeping it to '0' should be good right?

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Installation moral... which cables are you using? how are the joints made?
:( Dont ask. The installation is outright pathetic. I need to rewire the entire system. I will do it very soon.

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P.S. I still remember the time when I had set ur system, loud - high, bass - +4, mid - +4, etc..
I remember very well buddy . In fact I got to know about the feature of turning the rear speakers to subs in Pioneers from you!
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Yeah.. I had done that since the tonality of Alpine and Infinity were different, so in order to keep the same tone, used the rear ovals to reproduce lower frequencies (which the components did not produce) and the components to give the mid-bass, mids and highs...

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...A lot of crossovers have a tweeter attenuation switch inside the housing...In your case, the warranty is void because you change every single electronic component inside it to something else.
Sorry. The JBL components have 2 tabs. other companies use jumpers etc...

I dont every single component, I use the same cover! :-) Besides if I ever need a warranty for my speakers I have you and Sam to turn to.


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Any advice on tuning the system further for SQ?
Damp all you can. Use good wire. then...

The way I do it...

a) first tune the front speakers (components or coax). Turn of the sub and rears. Focus on midrange and the highs. They should be clear but not brittle or harsh.

b) Then bring in the sub. If you HU has Time Alignment it can help a lot. Some Hus call this Bas Focus etc...

c) Then bring in the rears. In fact I often just leave them faded out untill I have rear passengers.

Other tips. Use your ears but I prefer to use my wife, son or sister. THis way they dont know what I have done to the speaker or amp and are not influenced by what changes they are "suppsoed" to hear.

My wife's brother's ears has also been used one but my sister's hubby (also a BIL) thinks of my car audio as garbage - now he the kind that uses silver in the hot lead of his speaker and copper in the other. My interconnects are made by him using Belden wire.
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Sorry. The JBL components have 2 tabs. other companies use jumpers etc...

If you HU has Time Alignment it can help a lot. Some Hus call this Bas Focus etc...

even the pioneer component kit use tabs.....

the phrase bass focus is used by alpine HU....and this time aligment help a lot in tuning the sound in a car as the distance of the speakers is different for all of them.....
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Let's add DSPs and Graphic equalizers, let take that last band and push it all the way up, lets turn the treble to +10 (that's what it's there for), let's mount additional tweeters on the B pillar so that we can inject the treble straight into one ear.
What?? You don't get 12 inch tweeters?

What about 6 way thali speakers? 6 way speakers have 1 boofer and 5 tweeters, so that is clearer and better. Clarity clearity chilling sound tisss tisssssss!!

Aaaah, it's got so much claaariteeee!! TS TWENTEEEEE!!! Bolo tararara.
:rofl: That was hilarious!!!!!!!!!

On a side note, I never ever use the equalizer..neither on my home aduio setup, nor in the car
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