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Old 20th October 2009, 15:51   #181
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There is a Blaupunkt brandshop in Blore,
Mandovi Motors Pvt. Ltd.
No. 70, Sarakki Industri al Estate,
J P Nagar 3rd Stage, Bannergatta Main Road,
Bangalore - 560078
Ph: 080 26583212, 9945236129, 9945236128

Give them a visit. I'm sure they may have an answer. There are PnP amplifiers, 2,4,5 channels as well as a mono, the THA series. You will also need the PnP adaptor.

Blaupunkt - Amplifiers - THA-Series

Sorry have no idea on the pricing front. Could you please put up the prices here after you enquire from them?

Blaupunkt Car Configurator this is the car config link from Blaus site for the Linea. May help you out.
Rang up Mandovi motors today and they directed me to the Blaupunkt brand shop in Ernakulam.

They said putting a sub woofer in Linea's boot won't give the expected results as the boot is too air tight and adviced me to go for a 4 channel PnP amp with upgraded speakers. They have a 4 channel PnP amp which can be connected to the stock HU in Linea using the PnP connector. It costs around 18k and a pair of velocity speakers come free with it which could be put in the front doors. This along with the rear speakers will come to around 25k

The price looks pretty steep. Not sure if it would be worth it
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Old 20th October 2009, 18:25   #182
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Rang up Mandovi motors today and they directed me to the Blaupunkt brand shop in Ernakulam. Oops sorry, my bad, didn't notice you were from Trivandrum.

They said putting a sub woofer in Linea's boot won't give the expected results as the boot is too air tight and adviced me to go for a 4 channel PnP amp with upgraded speakers.

That is the lamest line I have ever heard. Their brains must be airtight!

I think the bass you yearn for will only come from having a sub and not from just 5.25" or 6" round speakers. Run a pair of components (front) powered by 2 channels and bridge the other 2 channels and power a sub.

Don't they have the 5 channel PnP amp? Also ask them if they can arrange for an audition of both the speakers and the amp.

They have a 4 channel PnP amp which can be connected to the stock HU in Linea using the PnP connector. It costs around 18k and a pair of velocity speakers come free with it which could be put in the front doors. This along with the rear speakers will come to around 25k

Are these free speakers, components or coaxials?



The price looks pretty steep. Not sure if it would be worth it
The reason I suggested the Blau PnP range is because this may not void warranty and would be the safest bet.
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Old 20th October 2009, 20:08   #183
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"Their brains must be airtight!"
That's funny dude, but also true!

From personal experience, I can tell you that a 12" sub in a sealed enclosure, in the Linea boot, will give you that extra bit of bass. However, since the OEM HU does not have separate subwoofer controls, you will need to fiddle with the 7 band EQ and BASS settings to get the thump out. It'll be adequate but nowhere near the output of an aftermarket HU.

I had the stock HU sending out signals to a 4 channel amp, via a 4 channel LOC, hooked up to front components and a 12 inch sub in the boot(front sound stage setup). The bass was there but not REALLY there. Threw out the Blau HU , stuffed in a Kenwood X993. Now, I think its time for damping the boot as everything shakes, including the rear view mirror. The difference is tremendous. BTW, I have an Emotion and not the Emotion pack. But with this new HU, I have built in PARROT and USB, and Bluetooth Audio , time alignment, dead head unit(can switch off the internal amp), dual zone sound, plus a whole lot more. Not to mention a remote unit too.

I'd agree with Pranava999's recommendations on setting up the ICE.

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Old 20th October 2009, 23:02   #184
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"Their brains must be airtight!"


Yes, I guess PnP is the best shot I have got to improve the audio without voiding warranty.


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"Their brains must be airtight!"
That's funny dude, but also true!

From personal experience, I can tell you that a 12" sub in a sealed enclosure, in the Linea boot, will give you that extra bit of bass. However, since the OEM HU does not have separate subwoofer controls, you will need to fiddle with the 7 band EQ and BASS settings to get the thump out. It'll be adequate but nowhere near the output of an aftermarket HU.

I had the stock HU sending out signals to a 4 channel amp, via a 4 channel LOC, hooked up to front components and a 12 inch sub in the boot(front sound stage setup). The bass was there but not REALLY there. Threw out the Blau HU , stuffed in a Kenwood X993. Now, I think its time for damping the boot as everything shakes, including the rear view mirror. The difference is tremendous. BTW, I have an Emotion and not the Emotion pack. But with this new HU, I have built in PARROT and USB, and Bluetooth Audio , time alignment, dead head unit(can switch off the internal amp), dual zone sound, plus a whole lot more. Not to mention a remote unit too.

I'd agree with Pranava999's recommendations on setting up the ICE.

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I guess the Blaupunkt guy must have meant this when he said airtight!

Since I have an E+, I am pretty much stuck with the stock HU unless I sacrifice the B&M and also risk the warranty.

Another story from the Fiat SA was that someone lost the warranty because he installed and an amp and better speakers. I had tried the various phone numbers on the Linea web site to confirm if I could put an amp and better speakers will void the warranty but they are yet to get back.

I think I am stuck with the mediocre setup from fiat for buying an E+

And by the way is your ICEy chronicles out ghost_rider?
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Why would the warranty get void if you're not cutting any wires ? The OEM HU has line level out for speakers. These signals, via a connector, can be fed to an LOC or you could borrow/buy Pranava999's JL Audio cleansweep(he's not using it, now that he's iced up his Wagon instead of the Linea). Now run these signals up to the amp and then back to the upgraded front compos and sub. Where is the wire being cut? Don't have to worry about the blue and me also, as you're not messing with it!

The problem with these service centers is that their knowledge level is virtually zero in these matters. Hell, I doubt if they even know how to adjust the 7 band EQ in the stock system.

My ICEy chronicles? I'm thinking of delaying it till next month, when the whole install is done.

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Heard another story from the SA today that the battery would get drained fast if I install an amp and there will be starting trouble in the future. Could someone please confirm if this is true?
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Heard another story from the SA today that the battery would get drained fast if I install an amp and there will be starting trouble in the future. Could someone please confirm if this is true?
UKR, are you a doctor by any chance? Even if not, pretend being one and tell this SA that his digestive system will get eroded fast if he continues to eat full meals. Tell him to eat only half-portions if he does not want to have digestion related trouble in his 40s and 50s. For added effect, you can tell him to always breathe short, half breaths to ensure longevity of his lungs.

Disclaimer: Nobody expects you to listen to your car music for hours while keeping the engine shut. When the engine is running, the amp gets power from the alternator and battery has no role.

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The cleanest way...yes, its bit pricey; but thats how the universe operates is'nt it?

Just Get a Rockford Fosgate 3sixty.2 and hook it up with your stock HU.
And it ll open up ways for a full fledged 3 way, 6 channel output including dedicated Sub channel

Advantages:
  • No Fiddling with your HU, and your Blue & me will continue to function
  • You get a 6 channel, 5V preout with dedicated Sub channel and Auxilary in
  • It has a full 3 way Time Alignment(TA)
  • on board DSP
  • Fully adjustable 3 way crossover with 153 band of EQ
  • Has summing capabilties and hence even if your Stock HU has just 1 preout, no worries
Disadvantages:
  • Pricey, costs close to $400 (close to 20K)
  • Not sure of availablity in india, has to be brought down from US
  • Need Palm OS or Windows Laptop to configure and Test settings
Rockford Fosgate® - 3SIXTY.2=

You can just add a 2Ch Amp / Mono to it and plonk in a Sub. Your Linea Emotion+ will transform ino Linea Dynamic
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Old 28th October 2009, 19:29   #189
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Heard another story from the SA today that the battery would get drained fast if I install an amp and there will be starting trouble in the future. Could someone please confirm if this is true?
Please give him a piece if your mind! If this is what he understands or knows about basic electrical stuff ,you better check his knowledge levels on mechanical and service aspects well before he touches the hood of your car! Such a dumbAfterSalesServicer
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Guys, I'm a new member to this forum and this is my first post. I'm looking to install audio system in a fiat linea and i need some clarifications.

1. Can anybody tell me what size of speakers can be fitted into speaker enclosures available on the doors (front & rear). Earlier pages in the same thread I read that the linea front would take 5" and rear would take 4", can anybody confirm on this ?
2. Say if the sizes are front 5" and rear 4", can we fit 6.5" speakers in the door enclosures of all 4 doors.
3. Also if I am to put in in 6x9 oval on the rear parcel tray, do I need to cut open any metal parts ?

I tried a couple of ICE installers and they say 6.5" can be fit into all 4 door enclosures of linea. From the interaction i had with them I get the feeling that they might have not actually worked on a linea but they blindly insist that this can be done to get business.

Thanks in advance for your suggestions/comments.
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1. Can anybody tell me what size of speakers can be fitted into speaker enclosures available on the doors (front & rear). Earlier pages in the same thread I read that the linea front would take 5" and rear would take 4", can anybody confirm on this ?
2. Say if the sizes are front 5" and rear 4", can we fit 6.5" speakers in the door enclosures of all 4 doors.
3. Also if I am to put in in 6x9 oval on the rear parcel tray, do I need to cut open any metal parts ?

I tried a couple of ICE installers and they say 6.5" can be fit into all 4 door enclosures of linea.
Apparently 6" speakers can be fit in the doors of the Linea.
see post below.
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/1309533-post7.html
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As far as I know the front can accommodate 6" and the rear stock can handle 5.25". There are separate mounting spaces for the tweeters in the door pads close to the handles.
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I have 2 setups in mind, which one of these would be a better choice, pls advice. My requirements are good SQ, good amount of base and I want the setup to fill the car evenly with sound when switched on.

1. HU - Alpine CDE102 (already purchased)
Front - Infinity/Polk components, probably 6.5"
Rear - Infinity/Polk components, 6.5" or 5" ... whichever fits.

2. HU - Alpine CDE102 (already purchased)
Front - Infinity/Polk components, probably 6.5"
Rear - Infinity/Polk 6x9 ovals on the parcel tray

I plan to drive my setup with HU only. I'm not planning for an amp even in future.

Few clarifications
1. I know that components put out their best when driven by an amp, but can/will this Alpine HU drive the components to a decent level ?
2. To fix the 6x9 ovals on the rear parcel tray, do I need to make any metal cuttings ?
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I would have preferred the stock locations and would not want to tamper with cutting the parcel tray and tarnishing the OE look and feel. Am not really sure if there will be any metal cutting invoved, but be prepared for a few rattles especially from he rear sunscreen blind if the speakers are not installed well.However, if you are looking for better bass response the 6X9s should fare better than round co-axials.

Your HU has a continuous power output of 18W RMS which would starve your components, and limit them from peak performance .Why bother spending the extra few grands, if you are not going to push them towards peak performance by under powering? Its the crossovers that require the additional power to split the frequencies and feed the mids and highs and enable superior performance. (gurus, correct me if I am wrong). Most prefer running components for the front and coaxials for the rear.

Amongst infinity and polk, my personal choice would be infinity. However, you should audition your favourite tracks on both at higher volumes, and go with what your ears prefer.

Cheers..do keep us posted on your preferences and install.

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navin & pranava, thanks for your suggestions. I will keep you posted on the final setup.
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