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Old 11th March 2011, 14:45   #226
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The accessory manager from the tata-fiat showroom called up and after a brief discussion suggested that for 20k I could use components in the front and back and a tube subwoofer with a monoblock amp in the boot.

He claimed that the components could be run without an amp and he would be using 'actuators" (which are available from fiat) to ensure that the speakers would sound good. I had no clue what these were and he could not explain it to me. he did say that adding an amp would further improve the sound but would add another 4000 to the costs.

the dealership only sell sony, blaupunkt and JBL.

he would be sending me the exact breakup of the components and their costs in some time.

any views on this?
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For 20k, I would suggest the following config

Front Components: Morel Maximos - 6k
Amplifier: Kenwood M845 - 5k
Subwoofer: Blaupunkt GTw 1200/Bull Audio - 4k
Wiring + Damping + Install - 5k

If you plan to use the stock HU, I would really recommend you to get a good Hi-to-Low Converter. Something like the Genesis Series 3. Would cost you another 5k but totally worth the price. If on budget, you could look for Scosche as an option.

Head over to Ajay (Bass&Trouble) or Ramie who might be able to guide you better.
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Old 11th March 2011, 17:29   #228
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For 20k, I would suggest the following config

Front Components: Morel Maximos - 6k
Amplifier: Kenwood M845 - 5k
Subwoofer: Blaupunkt GTw 1200/Bull Audio - 4k
Wiring + Damping + Install - 5k

If you plan to use the stock HU, I would really recommend you to get a good Hi-to-Low Converter. Something like the Genesis Series 3. Would cost you another 5k but totally worth the price. If on budget, you could look for Scosche as an option.

Head over to Ajay (Bass&Trouble) or Ramie who might be able to guide you better.

Thanks Mate. I will also ask around for these.

just some time back i spoke to a dealer and he said that he could give me infinity components for both front and back, JBL subwoofer and a JBL amp to drive them for 25k. this also include scosche damping on all 4 doors. he also promised to sent me exact details in some time. (somehow none of the dealers seem to be giving me any precise details )
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hi guys I have the petrol Linea and wanted to only change the front and rear speakers, with existing HU. want good sound and decent bass (nothing kind of to wake the neighbours) which speakers are better sony xplod or jbl or polk. pls suggest. budget max 5K
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This is a decision I will take at a later date
And it has been taken, and it is no.

Temptation overruled wisdom and I finally settled on a set of Focal Access 165A1 for the front components. The tweeters had to be removed from their mounting bezel to fit in the stock slot.

For the rears, I got a set of Hertz Dieci coaxials, cheap and cheerful enough for the passengers.

The installation took longer than I thought - about three hours, give or take. It was quite well done and I noticed the installer reversed the connections on the tweeters. Nice touch - most would have connected them in same polarity. Some damping was also done on the front doors.

My objectives were pretty simple - to get as good sound as possible up front, and something decent at the back, within a budget of about 12K. It ended up costing a bit more than that, but I think it was worth it.

The sound is a tad bright, but even the old speakers were - so some retuning is to happen over a weekend as it's probably the HU. The midrange has much better body and definition, and I fear there is just a tad too much detail but the crossover is tunable (though it's inside the door now, so not very keen to use that unless absolutely necessary).

Basically, if your speakers are upgraded, you might get some decent sound out of the stock Blaupunkt HU. It's probably (IMO) not worth the complexity and SQ loss to get a converter and amplifier set up in the Linea.
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@cranky: Where was the install done in Delhi? I am going the PnP way shortly so looking for inputs.
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It was done by Car Lounge, I got the number for a guy somewhere on the forums, PM me if interested.
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Old 27th December 2016, 17:55   #233
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Hi All,

I'm not an expert hence my questions might sound basic. Also, trying to provide all the details for you to understand my dilemma.

Car - Fiat Linea Emotion Diesel 2011
ICE - Stock (pathetic)

Constraints: Low on budget - 18k - 20k total

I need your help on the best combination of amp, subs, wiring/ohms and components:

1) Stereo:- Already bought BOSS AUDIO BVB9967RC 1 din motorized http://amzn.to/2iafiRD

2) Subwoofers (I wish to put them on rear parcel tray to save space)
a) One free air sub - Pyle PLPW10D 10-Inch 1000 Watt - http://amzn.to/2hjJ7gx
b) Two free air subs - Pyle PLPW8D 8-Inch 800 Watt - http://amzn.to/2icURpD

3) Amps:
a) Pyle PLAM1600 1600 Watts 4 Channel - http://amzn.to/2hjG4Vr
b) Planet Audio AC1200.4 ANARCHY - http://amzn.to/2izC7gD

4) Components: (tight on budget, hence listed the cheaper ones, if they are good??)
a) Sony XS-N16202C 2WAY http://amzn.to/2iag5lg
b) Pioneer TS-A1606C A-Series http://amzn.to/2hpvtf9
c) BOSTON ACOUSTICS REF-C-65R http://amzn.to/2htntv5
d) Vibe Pulse 6C 6.5" 165mm 180W http://amzn.to/2i2TIQG


Now my questions are:

1) Can i fit 10 inch Sub on the parcel tray? if yes then anything special required other than cutting the metal sheet?
2) If one 8 inch Sub will suffice or I would need two 8 inch subs for max output deep bass?
3) If i go for two 8 inche subs, can I do away with one of the above amps? considering they both are high power amp. Like 1 channel for 1 sub, 2nd channel for 2nd sub, and rest two channels to each component?
4) Can I flow more power to subs and less to comps via any setting?
5) Subs are 4ohms stable, so where exactly i change the ohms setting? how many ohms to set on amp/sub? Pls refer this link for diagrams:
Figure 1: http://bit.ly/2i2SbdF
Figure 2: http://bit.ly/2i2QiO6
Figure 3: http://bit.ly/2i31YjY
6) Any car audio fitting expert in Ahmedabad you can refer?

I'm confused if i need to different Amps or
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can i just set amp/sub at particular ohms and do with one of the above amp
Please let me know if i can work around all these options with neat deep bass and good power for the subs/comps?

PS - Checking Amazon.com (US) because that works out cheaper than Amazon.in




TIA
- Nirav

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Old 27th December 2016, 22:15   #234
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No offence but I am a little surprised at your choice of equipment. It might turn out to be money down the drain in the long run. You will not see any of the gurus or even us less knowledgeable folks recommending any of the brands you have listed.

20k is a very good budget for a decent sub, amp and speakers. Depending on your listening taste, you can easily skip the sub and go for better components (speakers).

I sincerely request you to have a look around a few good installers in your city and check what is available at what price. Sometimes, you get really good deals offline.

If I were you, I would spend 6k on front components, 7k on amp and 5k on sub and 2k on wiring. In this budget, you can get:

Components - Rockford Fosgate, Hertz, Blaupunkt, Cervin Wega
Amp - Kenwood, JBL, Blaupunkt, Pioneer
Sub - JBL, Rockford Fosgate, Blaupunkt, Hertz

A few links for you:
https://www.snapdeal.com/product/bla...arch:subwoofer
https://www.snapdeal.com/product/jbl...arch:subwoofer
https://www.snapdeal.com/product/jbl...r/683829810639
https://www.snapdeal.com/product/bla...arch:amplifier
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@ego4evr -
Like @5hadow said .. :-(

Each brand will sound different. You need to listen to the speakers IN A CAR to check if it sounds to your liking or not. If you get something that does not suit your taste / preferences, then it is money down the drain. Very important esp if budget is a constraint.

Also, I suggest that you check the manual of the player to see if any adjustments can be done to the settings. I have just now done that and found that my ICE actually sounds better after adjusting settings correctly. So one-step of the upgrade came at zero cost !

If budget is tight, then do it step by step. Get the sub-woofer later.

Instead of cutting the rear parcel tray/shelf, get a shallow sub-woofer, mount it in a box and keep that in the trunk. Sub-woofer does not need positioning like Tweeters.

2) Keep stock player, but spend on amp + components.
( I notice the Boss HU)

To re-iterate, If on tight budget:

1) Keep stock HU, but first step get Amp and good components
2) Replace rear speakers
3) Add sub-woofer
4) Replace HU - IF required.

#2 & #3 can be interchanged.
If you want good bass first, then let the rear speakers run on the HU for some time. Later you can replace them

Else, you can temporarily run rear speakers from the Amp till you get a sub

A shallow sub-woofer would cost you about 5k with discounts. A box is another 1k or so. A shallow sub-woofer will also not take much space - as low as 13"x13"x6"

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Like @5hadow said .. :-(

Also, I suggest that you check the manual of the player to see if any adjustments can be done to the settings. I have just now done that and found that my ICE actually sounds better after adjusting settings correctly. So one-step of the upgrade came at zero cost !

Instead of cutting the rear parcel tray/shelf, get a shallow sub-woofer, mount it in a box and keep that in the trunk. Sub-woofer does not need positioning like Tweeters.

2) Keep stock player, but spend on amp + components.
( I notice the Boss HU)

To re-iterate, If on tight budget:

1) Keep stock HU, but first step get Amp and good components
2) Replace rear speakers
3) Add sub-woofer
4) Replace HU - IF required.

A shallow sub-woofer would cost you about 5k with discounts. A box is another 1k or so. A shallow sub-woofer will also not take much space - as low as 13"x13"x6"
Thank you for your inputs brother..
Stock HU does not allow any tweaking in Fiat Linea thats why i ended up buying BOSS HU, which allows tweaking.
Do you mean to say change the rear speakers or the front? many guys asked me to change the front door speakers with good comps.
I need more boot space but deep bass...however if its just 6" broad then i can try and fit into the boot. Can you suggest me where can i get a shallow sub in 5k? which brand? Comp for 6k, Amp 7k, Sub 6k, fitting 2k = good deal. I believe Shallow sub can be used as IB/Free Air sub too. Correct?

Again, only concern is boot space, hence all this circus i've been doing. Read almost all threads on TBHP :(

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As condor suggested, do it in multiple stages based on budget availability. I did something similar. I don't think the boss hu will be far superior to the linea's stock one. You might only end up on buying another hu in future.

If you are planning to change the hu, invest in proper ones from Alpine/Kenwood/Pioneer and the likes.

For starters, get a good 4 channel amp, 6.5" components for front and 6.5" co-ax for rear. Don't compensate on the wiring, they go a long way in the output quality as well. An amp with high level inputs will ensure you can connect that with your stock hu without the need for the hi-low converter. I recommend you check the components / co-ax from Kicker or Auditor/Focal Auditor. These would be in your budget.

You can check my thread (http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/long-t...93-000-km.html) on how many stages I had done. I first had the comp & co-ax to stock hu without amp, then added amp and sub, then changed hu, then changed to better comps

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No offence but I am a little surprised at your choice of equipment. It might turn out to be money down the drain in the long run. You will not see any of the gurus or even us less knowledgeable folks recommending any of the brands you have listed.

20k is a very good budget for a decent sub, amp and speakers. Depending on your listening taste, you can easily skip the sub and go for better components (speakers).

I sincerely request you to have a look around a few good installers in your city and check what is available at what price. Sometimes, you get really good deals offline.

If I were you, I would spend 6k on front components, 7k on amp and 5k on sub and 2k on wiring. In this budget, you can get:

Components - Rockford Fosgate, Hertz, Blaupunkt, Cervin Wega
Amp - Kenwood, JBL, Blaupunkt, Pioneer
Sub - JBL, Rockford Fosgate, Blaupunkt, Hertz

A few links for you:
https://www.snapdeal.com/product/bla...arch:subwoofer
https://www.snapdeal.com/product/jbl...arch:subwoofer
https://www.snapdeal.com/product/jbl...r/683829810639
https://www.snapdeal.com/product/bla...arch:amplifier
You are right about the brands but my only worry is boot space, otherwise I had JBL or Sony Xplod Sub in mind. If I get an option to mount a IB/Free Air sub then 90% probs solved.

Comps - i think i will go with Cervin or Blaupankt. Thanks

On Amps you suggested - definetely they are the best at budget, but their RMS seem low as compared to what I shortlisted. No other reason.

Pyle - best selling Sub on Amazon.com plus it is free air sub. If you can suggest any config which can save me boot space i'll get it done this saturday itself.

I need at the least decent bass, deeper the better: I listen to Progressive house, Deep house, trance and at times pop

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I need at the least decent bass, deeper the better: I listen to Progressive house, Deep house, trance and at times pop

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If you like the "boom boom" windows shattering kind of bass then mount the subs on the parcel tray.

If you are more subtle, you have two options - 1. Shallow sub or 2. 6x9 speakers on the parcel tray.

I have no personal experience of a shallow sub but I can vouch for the bass produced by 6x9s, in my previous car. I strongly believe I made a mistake by going for regular coaxs in the doors of my Punto instead of getting 6x9s on the parcel tray. Anyone who does not want to compromise on boot space should save on the sub and spend that money on better compos, better amp and good 6x9s.

Good luck.
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If you like the "boom boom" windows shattering kind of bass then mount the subs on the parcel tray.

If you are more subtle, you have two options - 1. Shallow sub or 2. 6x9 speakers on the parcel tray.
Also read @h14's ownership thread. The best way is to understand and match your taste with how each brand of equipment will sound. For that you can read the ICE bible -

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/car-en...s-section.html (Queries in 'Ask the gurus' section)
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