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Old 9th August 2009, 22:08   #1
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Hi Gurus,

Need your advice for upgrading the system installed in my Baleno.

I have a Pio 57xx HU, JBL 6" comps for front, and JBL 6x9" coaxs for rears. The system has been in my car for the last 2+ years, but i've found the sound output too shrill for my liking.

Of late, the rears have become worn out, and i need to replace them.

I have a budget of about 12K for the upgrade, and needed your advice for an appropriate upgrade, with one of the key objectives being to tame down the high frequencies.

Options i have are to add rear speakers, and/or a 4 ch amp.

Please recommend brands/models of rear speakers/amps which will help tune the output to my liking.

To give you an idea about my taste of music: I like Kailash Kher (Saiyannnn), Rahat Fateh Ali Khan, Nusrat, Bhangra, Eagles, Bob Dylan, Buddha, Jazz (Miles Davis), Rock (Led Zep), Ghulam Ali, Hip-Hop... Like deep bass, but prefer it to remain inside the car, with preferably a front oriented soundstage...

Will i really need an amp, and will it help?

Thanks so much in advance for your guidance and recos...

Irwin
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Why the rears.
Does anyone sit in the rear?

Since you are running the setup without an amp. I would advice you to do that.
Go for the JBL 1004 ( not sure of availability) 9k.
Wiring + Install etc 3k.


And why do you need to replace the rears.
Are you sure they have gone kaput?
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Switch to Infinity components in front - not bright at all.

Normally speakers don't wear out. Certainly not in 2 years, which is at most 20% of their life expectancy. Quite likely they just need a good cleaning. Clean them with compressed air the next time you go for servicing your car, just make sure the air pressure is throttled so that it doesn't damage the cone, surround or spider.

Amp does help. If you don't buy new rears, you may be able to buy a JBL A604, Blaupunkt GTA4 Mk2, Kenwood 8404, or even a Pioneer 6300 or something like that for around 6K. Plus a little more for RCA and power cabling.
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I had pio 5090 HU paired with JBL 6x9 in my esteem. The output was pretty decent (may be my liking). Can you tell us what is the settings you got on the HU?

Also try switching off the loudness. Helps a lot in pioneer especially
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Thanks for your responses..!

Regarding your queries:

Have rears really gone bad?

The cone edges have come off the speaker joints, I had got them pasted but the speaker performance deteriorated. Even i'm surprised that they went bad so soon...

If i go just for the amps with the JBL fronts i have, will it help reduce the shrillness?

Settings on HU - I keep the treble to minimum, keep loudness off, keep HPF at 80.

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The cone edges coming off means it surely needs professional help. Take it to the authorised service center.

You are feeling the shrill because of the HPF setting which will not give the bass (all frequencies below 80 Hz). All you are able to hear now will be mids and highs.

Adding the amp and crossing the frequency for the components at the amp and Allowing all to rears 6x9 may help (After the speaker cone issue is sorted out).

Before all this try setting component crossover to -3 or -6db.

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I have a Pio 57xx HU, JBL 6" comps for front, and JBL 6x9" coaxs for rears.
I have a budget of about 12K for the upgrade
Options i have are to add rear speakers, and/or a 4 ch amp.
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Why the rears.
Go for the JBL 1004 ( not sure of availability) 9k.
abhi,
The 6x9s probably provided the system with a semblance of bass while they worked. Given that he did not have an amp that was his best option for a balanced sound at the time.

12K...
Get a nice 10" IB subwoofer for about 7K
Get a 4 ch. amp for 6K...
a MDF baord, Wires and damping will cost you another 4-5K

If you can spare the room in your trunk get a sealed box sub instead of the IB sub. The sealed box box will be less boomy and more accurate than the IB sub.

I know this is about 3-4K above your budget but with this you will have real bass.
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Ah yes Navin ji, I forgot that.
He can also go in for a JBL sub.
It would be cheaper also and can enjoy a full 12" driver too.
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12" might not work in IB. The rear deck of the Baleno is barely 12" deep in the center.
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Thanks for your advice folks..!

So, what i need to do is:

- Get my rears checked by an authorized service dealer - Anybody has clue on JBL service in Delhi/Gurgaon?

- Add in an amp (Blau, JBL, Kenwood, Pio). Any recommendation for my choice of music?

- Get it installed - appreciate recommendations for professional installers in Gurgaon/Delhi

@shreyasma: you suggested trying setting component crossover to -3 or -6db. Can you please explain what this means, and how to do it?

One final question which remains unaddressed: Will all this help make sound less bright?

Thanks so much.
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Yes Irwin this will definetly help.
Can you tell the model of component you have. Also mention the budget you have for amp.
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Shreyasma - I have JBL 6" comps in the front. Amp budget i'l prefer to limit to 6K.

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