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Old 5th September 2005, 05:10   #991
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1. Sony 5510/5610 HU - Rs 5400
2. Pioneer 6991 100W RMS 5 Way Co Axials - Rs 3500
3. A/D/S 4 Channel Amp - Rs 3400

So lemme check out JBL's 2moro and will let u know. And Dear u explained in the best way possible, Its just that things don't get into my head easily ;-)
So where are you and what are u doin so late? (In the Morning )
the price for the HU is a steal..i paid 6.2k for the 5510 2 months back..and its really worth it..i suggest not to go in for the 5-way speakers but the JBLs are more worth and way better sound..i have 350w,3-way coaxials in my zen and no fronts at all..so upgrading to JBLs myself..
btw is the amp from sony.i dont quite understand a/d/s ..

yup check out the components tomorrow and ul decide for urself..well im from bangalore and have a lot of interest in cars and so trying to gain knowledge from this wonderful site..well what am i doing online at this time,this is the only time i get to sit peacefully and fill my brains with these tech stuff!!!congrats on ur 51st post,forgot to add in the previous post..well its been nearly 15 hrs on this site since 10 am yesterday and still raring to go.crazy me!!!
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Old 5th September 2005, 06:24   #992
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the price for the HU is a steal..i paid 6.2k for the 5510 2 months back..and its really worth it..i suggest not to go in for the 5-way speakers but the JBLs are more worth and way better sound..i have 350w,3-way coaxials in my zen and no fronts at all..so upgrading to JBLs myself..
btw is the amp from sony.i dont quite understand a/d/s ..

yup check out the components tomorrow and ul decide for urself..well im from bangalore and have a lot of interest in cars and so trying to gain knowledge from this wonderful site..well what am i doing online at this time,this is the only time i get to sit peacefully and fill my brains with these tech stuff!!!congrats on ur 51st post,forgot to add in the previous post..well its been nearly 15 hrs on this site since 10 am yesterday and still raring to go.crazy me!!!
BTW how does your Sony 5510 wound with the Rear 3 way Co Axials you have? does the sund distort? Any other issues?
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Old 5th September 2005, 08:44   #993
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Navin, not all HU's come with an internal amplifier.

If you amplify the output to the rear speakers as well, how can you
have more power for the front? by setting the fader to the front?

I think for a 5510 or 5-8k stereos (without internal amps) one can just go with a 4 channel amp to power the front (Components) and the woofer.
Aseem I think there has been some Communication Breakdown here....

1. almost all HUs have an internal power amplifer even if it is a single based amp. if that camp can be switched off there will be more power available for the rest of the HUs functions. Of these the DAC will benefit most. In fact I own one of teh few HUS that dont come with ANY internal amplifer (you MUST MUST MUST) use an external amplifier.

2. Yes if you have 5-6 channel of power you can fade the power anyway you want. For 2.5K extra (cost of 502) if makes sense to have that option as well as the advantages I mentioned in my earlier post.

AARGH! I feel RObert Plant's pain when he sang this...
"Communication breakdown,
Itís always the same,
Iím having a nervous breakdown,
Drive me insane!"
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...I will use the fader in the HU to get a better concert effect

the other problem is that 75.4 will damage the front speakers is used at full blast (100 rms / channel) versus 70 rms speaker rating for the front JBL components....
1. yes yes yes use the fader!
2. no no no you wont damange the speakers not unless you are totally deaf.

The electro-thermal ratings mentioned (70W, 100W etc..) are not the limiting factor of MOST speakers. You speaker will complain very audibly before you blow them. Haivng more power will not do them any harm esp not the difference between 70 or 100W.
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Low powered amplifiers clip in order to provide higher power to higher RMS speakers. .... The amplifier in order to deliver more power, sends a square wave instead of a sine wave. Happy Listening!!!
1. low powered amplifers tend to to be driven into clippig when connected to insenitive speakers (NOT high powered speakers). JBLs are anything but insensitive.

2. yes when an amplifer clips the clipped signal does resemble a sqaure wave. a square wave if you have studied Laplace Mathematics can be approxmiated a s sum of all the harmonics where the harmonics are at about the same level as the fundamental signal.

what that means....say the amp is producing 1k sine wave. then you clip it. it will produce a 2k, 4k, 8k, 16k, 32k etc.. sine waves. thisis fine if the levles of these since waves is very very low (50-60db below the fundamental freq. of 1k). but when the singal level at the harmonics increases the TWEETER cannot handle so much power and so dies. Usually without warning.

The best book I have read on this is a book called Circuits and Systems by Papoulis. Figures, I was taught by Papoulis. :-)
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All I am saying is that my opinion is formed on 14 years of purely being in the audio industry ......(god bless Jimi Hendrix). I purely meant it in the "reproduction of good sound being a way of life" topic.
.... Navin was making speakers when MY mum was prolly washing MY backside. My statement purely reflected on this comparison of experience.
buss sorry.
14 years! geez Sam you are a spring chicken. I went to my first concert in 1970, got my first radio in 1972 (not shared with anyone my ver own), my first kit amp and speakers in 1976, and designed and built my first speaker in 1978 about when I modified a mono home tape player to fit into a stereo one and fit it ito a car with 2 speakers (later amplifed) and so on....by that token i got about 30 years of expereince in the audio industry and learnt a lot from the likes of Richard Vandersteen who is an excellent basson player and whose wife sang opera, Karl Hienz Fink (and though him Ted Jordan), Nelson Pass, Douglas Self, etc. etc..Funny since I have NEVER worked for or in the audio industry as a reporter, enginner,, finanacer, partner, etc... i get lots of advice from these guys as they dont consider me a competitor just a mad indian who prefers to build than buy.

Best ears of anyone I know belong to JGH and Peter Aczel. Best ability to put what he/she hears into writing - Wes Philips. Best niche anyone every created in the high end - Sam Tellig (Cheapskate) and Dick Oshler (Dahlia). Can you imgine the feeling one gets when one has to listen to these guys.

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One last thing for today atleast...
this post has got about 1000 posts. those coming in late please doa search before posting. I am too old to remember where i posted what so i have to type everything all over again. or better still as someone young gun (aseem would be my bet) to do the search. he is fantastic with google (spelt that way becuase the first check they recived was mis-spelt google).
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u meant "Amit" right...?
anyways, since u were a little busy with the crew we went checking the rest of the show.
Well the JVC stall took most of our tme with their new camcorder.
i returned to the JBL stall. took a look at all those brilliant columns and turntable [man, i was so tempted to scratch... ], saw u were busy talking with this guy which i have suddenly realised was manticore....
i thought i'll see u later but couldnt get a hold of u...
actually, we spent atleast 20 mins outside with the eyeballer waiting if u would show up [read: my uncle was smoking], there came a bunch of young college folks came into see the eyeballer. well as the veteran there, i explained them what all was fitted and also abt the power cable hanging out of the rear door...
they were looking quite stunned to see that whole setup in the ride.
all was fine until one of them explained to his friends that the freeflow fitted behind was just a mere exhaust tip and how it was spoiling the appearance of the car.
there stepped Uncle Eyeballer to explain to them what the heck it was. man, wish u'd been there to look at the face of that guy....!

btw, i was also hoping to drop by on monday. if its fine please tell me the time u'll be free....thanks!
AMIT!
I Owe you. An apology and a thank you for your effort... I'm in on monday till about 4 pm. Manticore is coming by, he wants to drive Eyeballer around. He'll be in by 1130am. Please come by and we can chat, have coffee, discuss audio and i'll let you spin her around (playing at full blast too) Sound good?
Autopsyche will come by too, we're discussing making a JBL swift. Come by, I'm sure you'd love to be part of the discussion

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I want a cassette player and MP3 Player both. (Many would advice, Cassette is redundant - I would agree but still want it for other reasons) for my new Swift.(Am based in Hyderabad)

So, the choice for me is between these two

1) JVC Double Din Kw-Xc838 for Rs. 9000/- in Hyderabad.

http://www.araygroup.com/product.php?pId=25.

or

2) Sony XR-F5100 For Rs. 5200/-

http://www.sonyindia.co.in/sonyindia...dio/index.html
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Add to this a 10CD Sony MP3 Changer for Rs. 7000/-

Sound Quality is of utmost importance to me. which is a better unit sound quality wise JVC Double Din or a sony Cassette&CD Changer?

The speaker setup(this is what i have in mind for now at least) for it will be

1) JBL 606c 6.5" Compo system for Rs. 6000/- in the front doors.(Swift I"m told has space for 6.5" compos)

2) Got to decide on other speakers and amp still. A 4 channel amp and JBL 6x9" gto 936 or 4 channel amp and a good sub.

But first help me witht he choice of the Head Unit.

Thank you.

PS. Must say this forum rocks. Bumbed into it while googling yesterday night at around 9. REad and read till around 1:00 Am. and have been again at it since 10:AM. Must say, am amazed at the knowledge and nature of this forum. Feel really glad and Proud to be a part of it....!!

Waiting for your help.
Hello Soundmaniac,

Welcome to this wonderful wonderful forum. It's fun and quite addictive.

I'd like to say that Mclaren's advice is all good. Stick to what he's saying and you'll be safe.
I've heard the JVC double din and it's not very nice. The sony is much better.
On everything else, I'd agree with Mclaren.
Mclaren: I'm impressed.
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And Number 1000 is MINE!!! YAYAYAYAYAYYYYYY!!!!!


So.... this thread has just officially become a 1000 poster.

I wonder if there are any more threads on TBHP that have done 1000.

YAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYY!!
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Sam you are a spring chicken.
Arrey! What a guy you are Navin. Kabhi toh you call me the friendly neighbourhood audiohero.

Phir baad mein sab ke saamne spring chicken bol diya.

Ayy, where were you Navin. I missed you 2 days.

I'm returning to mumbai tomorrow.
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Greetings

My originally planned setup for my new Petra is
  • HU Sony F5510X
  • JBL GTo525e (front)
  • JBL GTo936e (rear)
Over the weekend after visiting couple of car stero shops and rebalancing budget following two setup options crawled in. I would apprecaite your comments and your vote.

Option 2
  • HU Sony F5510X
  • Pioneer TS G1610R 16 cm 160 Watts (front)
  • Pioneer TS A6961e 260 Watts 6X9" (rear)
Option 3
  • HU Pioneer 5750
  • Pioneer TS G1610R 16 cm 160 Watts (front)
  • Pioneer TS A6961e 260 Watts 6X9" (rear)
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nope sam..as far as my knowledge goes this is the first thread to reach the 1000th mark..damn!!! lucky u,was planning to post the 1000th one myself but not many were kind enough to talk about this topic and give me that oppurtunity though i was online till 5 in the morning(logged in at 10pm the previous night,4 hrs of sleep and back again by 9..crazy me!!!)..serves right that ur the one who getsto post the 1000th one..congrats ssaamm!!!!
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Hi ping!!

My opinion: I prefer the sound of the Sony Head Unit to the pioneer.
Number two: I've said it before and I'll say it again, buy speakers from a specialist company, not one that "also" makes speakers.
That said, the combination of a pioneer HU pioneer speakers makes a very very very bright combination, dominating in the mid upper frequencies. This may sound nice to you if you like treble, but it can cause listening fatigue.
I would go in for the first combo eyes closed.
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Greetings

My originally planned setup for my new Petra is
  • HU Sony F5510X
  • JBL GTo525e (front)
  • JBL GTo936e (rear)
Over the weekend after visiting couple of car stero shops and rebalancing budget following two setup options crawled in. I would apprecaite your comments and your vote.

Option 2
  • HU Sony F5510X
  • Pioneer TS G1610R 16 cm 160 Watts (front)
  • Pioneer TS A6961e 260 Watts 6X9" (rear)
Option 3
  • HU Pioneer 5750
  • Pioneer TS G1610R 16 cm 160 Watts (front)
  • Pioneer TS A6961e 260 Watts 6X9" (rear)
if i were u i would keep a distance of atleast 10kms from the nearest shop that sells pioneer!!!! i would surely vouch for option 1 but with coomponents in the front..im sure our experts will start to roll their opinions..over to u guys..
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