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Old 9th November 2012, 09:57   #11746
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I'm looking to buy a set of components for my car under 20k and since I am new to this I only know of the infinity kappa 65.9cs. Can anyone else suggest something that would ideally handle brighter tones better since I am already going for a kicker subwoofer
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Old 9th November 2012, 11:51   #11747
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Hello Maverick1977

JVC has launched some VFM headunits which give bluetooth feature along with CD , USB , iPod etc . Vista Door can accomadate 6.5 inch speakers so you cant opt for components or co axials which ever suits you .

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Display on the stock HU in my Vista has faded to an extent that nothing is visible. Hence am planning to change it along with the speakers. Speakers will however be confided to the doors only since boot is used quite a bit.
HU requirements: USB a must, cd optional. BT is not that big a priority since already have a stand alone unit which does a good job.
Speakers: the front ones are decent but I want more thump. I think the door speakers are 4" and hence limit my choice. But there would be alternatives.
Lastly I m in Andheri E, any TBHP recommended place to buy and install.
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Old 9th November 2012, 12:27   #11748
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Any one using an Alpine 9826 here ?
1. Does it work with an Alpine remote ?
2. What aux-in cable is compatible with this ?
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1. the spec seems to claim that there is an optional wireless remote
2. the OE cable is called KCA121B, though I think any AiNET aux cable should work
Yes the 9826 (and 27) both have a remote. When my mom got her 2007 Honda City it came with the 9827 and a remote.

The KCA 121 is AiNet to RCA. (edit: I see Condor found the right cable).


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Any experience with Pioneer DEH-6400 BT ? I see 6450-BT on the Pioneer India website.

A comparison between these two will make my life much easier!! Any help appreciated.

Preferences:
1. Music genre: Classic rock (Led Zep, Floyd, Doors and the likes)

2. Rear speakers: I am the only one to listen to it in the drivers seat

3. Bluetooth: I don't like to take calls while I am driving, nothing is more important than good music and a relaxed drive . Bluetooth won't hurt for those 'emergency' calls. Also, does the music quality suffer when you are streaming using BT compared to when you plug in your Iphone ?
The 6450 and 6400 are almost the same. Mostly designed for different markets. The 6400 is for the US market.

I'd take the Pioneer over the Sony. I am not happy with the few Sonys I have heard. That said I have not heard the Sony model you refer to.

When you take your BT call the Hu will normally pause your music and return back to the music when the call is disconnected. It will not make any difference to the music being player.

Any wireless (BT, Wifi, etc..) streaming will not compare to wired transfer of music. Wireless however is very convienent and has improved (Airplay etc..) to make it tolerable but for good audio quality wired trumps wireless everytime.


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For a budget of 30k, i was told i can go for JBL front components, Hertz Amp and MTX Sub while retaining the stock rear speakers.

For a budget of 45k, i was told i can go for PHD front components, Hertz Amp and MTX Sub while retaining stock rears.

Also, i was told that duster has 5 3/4 enclosures so i need to go for JBL or PHD else the magnets would hinder mirror movement.
PHD's Cellulose series is very nice. Without knowing the exact model numbers involved it is a little diffcult to advise.

5 3/4 is an odd size. Usual sizes are 5 1/4 or 6 1/2 (sometimes you get 6 3/4).

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I am planning for ICE Upgrade without changing the head unit.
JBL 4 Ch Amp(GT series)
My budget is around 40K-50K(and can extend a bit).

Crossover - Kicker KX3 or any similar
Front - Components
Rear - Coaxials(Required in rear door and not on the parcel-tray)
Amp - Existing AMP(can upgrade later)
Subwoofer - 8 inchs(don't require bigger one due to space constraints) with fiber glass en-closer or any similar without disturbing boot space.
Amp for Subwoofer - Any good mono amp.
Damping - Required in floor/boot/doors
Why the Kicker crossover? usually any component speaker you have will come with a matching crossover. If you use the crossover of one speaker with the drivers from a different model/brand your results may be mixed.

I would look at the ID V3 8" but given your budget I would look to add a monoblock to drive it. You can then use the JBL amp for the front and rear speakers.

For the front and rear components please check out Focal, Infinity, etc as this can be very subjective. You will be surprised at the aural differences you will notice between two products that measure about the same.

lastly do not forrget to save 7-8K for damping the doors. It will greatly improve your listening expereince.

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Can anyone guide as to how i should remove the old unit from its place so that i can install the new one? I want to do it myself.
You can do it yourself. Most 1 DIN Head units are 7" wide and 2" high about a little less than 7" deep (about 6-6.75"). So replacing one head unit with another is not a diffcult task. Since each manufacturer is different they do use different techniques to hold the HU in place. Crutchfield.com used to have manuals for doing this online. Maybe they still do.

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Lastly I m in Andheri E, any TBHP recommended place to buy and install.
TBHP has a directory for each city.
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/mumbai/

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I'm looking to buy a set of components for my car under 20k and since I am new to this I only know of the infinity kappa 65.9cs.
If you like it bright I would consider Polk (which is bright) or Focal (which is somewhere between the Kappa and Polk).
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Why the Kicker crossover? usually any component speaker you have will come with a matching crossover. If you use the crossover of one speaker with the drivers from a different model/brand your results may be mixed.

I would look at the ID V3 8" but given your budget I would look to add a monoblock to drive it. You can then use the JBL amp for the front and rear speakers.

For the front and rear components please check out Focal, Infinity, etc as this can be very subjective. You will be surprised at the aural differences you will notice between two products that measure about the same.

lastly do not forrget to save 7-8K for damping the doors. It will greatly improve your listening expereince.
The kicker crossover i meant was actually this one below as i require to control the sub output.



Can i go for Focal 165 CVX Coaxial for the rear. and 165 YB components for the front. I found Polk speakers also good to my liking, though i am yet to listen Focal.

ID V3 8 is good, can you suggest me for a good mono-amp.
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The 6450 and 6400 are almost the same. Mostly designed for different markets. The 6400 is for the US market.

I'd take the Pioneer over the Sony. I am not happy with the few Sonys I have heard. That said I have not heard the Sony model you refer to.

When you take your BT call the Hu will normally pause your music and return back to the music when the call is disconnected. It will not make any difference to the music being player.

Any wireless (BT, Wifi, etc..) streaming will not compare to wired transfer of music. Wireless however is very convienent and has improved (Airplay etc..) to make it tolerable but for good audio quality wired trumps wireless everytime.
Thanks Navin, this helps a lot. I heard the Sony in a specialist rig in a shop and did not like the sound a lot. Of course the whole rig setup and the downstream components used add or subtract to the experience as well. I am keeping my ears open as of now, will try to listen to the HUs in a car and then take a decision.
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The kicker crossover i meant was actually this one below as i require to control the sub output.

Can i go for Focal 165 CVX Coaxial for the rear. and 165 YB components for the front. I found Polk speakers also good to my liking, though i am yet to listen Focal.

ID V3 8 is good, can you suggest me for a good mono-amp.
you were talking about an active subwoofer crossover. Sorry i was confused.

A basic mono amp like the JBL 3501 will do.

Listen to Focal and then decide. Yes you can use Coax in the rear and components in the front.
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you were talking about an active subwoofer crossover. Sorry i was confused.
Thanks Navin.. Does using a active crossover gives you better sound quality than the normal converters?
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Thanks Navin.. Does using a active crossover gives you better sound quality than the normal converters?
Using an active crossover like the one you have primarily allows you to control the bass (subwoofer level) even when the HU has only 2 pairs (front and rear) of outputs (either speaker level or line level).

For HUs that have 3 pairs of outputs (front, rear and subwoofer) an active crossover is redundant as the HU usually has one and in any case most monoblock amplfiers also have one.
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I'm looking to buy a set of components for my car under 20k and since I am new to this I only know of the infinity kappa 65.9cs. Can anyone else suggest something that would ideally handle brighter tones better since I am already going for a kicker subwoofer
I have been using the Kappas for a few months now in my Swift. They are fantastic speakers, and reproduce music clearly and loudly. Think you would be happy with them. They are available at around 10-11k. However, if your budget is higher, then you could look at other brands.
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I have been using the Kappas for a few months now in my Swift. They are fantastic speakers, and reproduce music clearly and loudly. Think you would be happy with them. They are available at around 10-11k. However, if your budget is higher, then you could look at other brands.
Thanks I am going to be fitting these components in my new kizashi and my budget for a set could go up to 15-20k could someone give me a list of brands and particular models that I ought to look for?
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Okay guys I did a bit of reading around and came up with a few components and would like to know an expert's opinion of them (btw I would also like if someone could please tell me how much I should expect to pay for each of these models as I have no clue about dealer pricing and what not):
Infinity Kappa perfect 6.1
Focal Polyglass 165 vb
Focal access 165 a3
I have also heard about rainbow, but I really dont know which model I ought to look at again my budget is around 15-20k. So what do you think guys? I am desperately in need of advice cause I live in Hyderabad and haven't come across a single store that could help me decide either I am expected to know the brand and model I wan or I walk in and they show me some random jbl product. Speaking of which, if anyone knows any good place in Hyderabad where I can talk to the guys, make a well informed decision and have speakers fitted properly without having to deal with poor fitment and vibrations, please do share
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PHD's Cellulose series is very nice. Without knowing the exact model numbers involved it is a little diffcult to advise.
Thanks for the inputs navin. I got the following model details but the front components are Sinus Live instead of PHD.

Front Components: Sinus Live SL-165s, shallow mount, 6 inch. This was recommended so that a bigger speaker can be fit without causing a problem with window movement (Rs 15500)

Sub: MTX Road Thunder 12 inch (Rs 5500)

Amp: Hertz HE4 (Rs 9500)

Was quoted around 55k for install, wiring and woofer enclosure extra i guess.

Any thoughts? the net seems to be pretty low on info regarding sinus live.

Also, any other brand you know of with shallow mount component speakers?
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Infinity Kappa perfect 6.1
Focal Polyglass 165 vb
Focal access 165 a3
I have also heard about rainbow,

I live in Hyderabad
I suggest you listen to the speakers. Try the stores linked below.

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/other-...underabad.html (Car Accessories - Max Motors (Hyderabad/Secunderabad))

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/other-...underabad.html (Car Accessories - Car Sonic (Hyderabad/Secunderabad))

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Any thoughts? the net seems to be pretty low on info regarding sinus live.Also, any other brand you know of with shallow mount component speakers?
I am surprised why a regular component cannot fit in your car. How much depth is there so that the woofer magnet does not foul with the window?

I have never heard of Sinus Live so I cannot offer any advice here. Maybe other BHPians have.
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... This was recommended so that a bigger speaker can be fit without causing a problem with window movement (Rs 15500) ...
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... I am surprised why a regular component cannot fit in your car. How much depth is there so that the woofer magnet does not foul with the window? ...
The reasoning offered to @shandy1981 seems more out of a need to push non-moving stock, rather than actual experiences. And the price is way higher than the more popular ones.

Yes, the Duster does have a problem with the OE 5.25" slot. The alternatives are either to mount 5.25" regular components in the OE slot, or to mount 6.5" components from outside the doorpad. Please check, there are a couple of Duster installations already described in the ICE section.

If this dealer is reluctant to get you the regular brands / models, perhaps you should try Chennai or Bangalore. Do listen before you buy.

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All the stores in Hyderabad can source the speakers but don't have them ready so I have no clue about how different they sound. This is why I would like an expert opinion between the Infinity Kappa perfect 6.1 and the Focal Access 165 A3. Could someone please tell me their sound characteristics and also explain what the difference is between a 2 way and a 3 way component system? I still haven't got any suggestions on rainbow either. Is it any good? what would be a comparable model?
Another thing that wanted to ask was what kind of sub should I go for? a sealed box 12" or a bass tube? what are the differences?
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