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Old 8th November 2005, 11:07   #226
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RSJ No No No... You got it all wrong.. I have no reason to be hurt. I always strongly advise everybody, its their system, their ears, their music. Choose what sounds best to your ears.

However, in your position, where you are unable to listen to what you are buying... Please compare pricing, specs and features (in that order). Dont buy any product simply because you are led to beleive X brand is the best.

Case in example would be Sony, Bose. Indians especially tend to think all products from these brands are the best. Whereas a Philips Pixel Plus TV gives a Sony Wega a run for its money any day, most people would rather have a Sony in their living room as that is a more socially accepted brand. I repeat, there are many brands out there that make nicer products. Do keep an open mind and check them out.

Back to specifics,

Speaker Spacer Rings: You need these anyways. There are not the same as damping material and you can get these fabricated by your installer. So I dont think you should order these from the US unless they are dirt cheap (say $4-8 per pair)

Damping Material: Dynamat original is a asphalt based product and not as good as combination or butyl rubber products (like Dynamat Extreme, much more expensive). I recommend Wurth damping for better price vs performance. And I am told it is available in India through Wurth industrial products retailers.

Amp: Yes the Alpine 240 is a decent amplifier. Go for it.

HU: I suggest you download the manuals from Crutchfield and compare your options. Based on what I know about these HUs, the Kenwood 789 is similar to the 589 except it has an Aux input (great as you can plug in an Ipod directly, without added expense) and 5V preouts against 4V on the 589.

Also, on the 9851's manual, I couldnt find High Pass settings at all. Is it just an omission or do they have a standard pre-set HPF that kicks in if you enable the sub. Maybe Sam, Navinji can shed some light on this as I havent used the 9851 yet.
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Old 8th November 2005, 11:47   #227
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GOOD TO HEAR FROM U GUNBIR.

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Amp: Yes the Alpine 240 is a decent amplifier. Go for it.
If there is s'thing better than this i can go for that one.I have manily shortlisted following amplifiers as they r within my budget.Kenwood excelon KAC-X541 have impressed me recently.[again i have no idea what sort of SOUND QUALITY it will produce.Can u try to list these in order of preference if u have to buy one?

--ROCKFORD FOSGATE P4004
--ALPINE MRP 240
--INFINTY REFERENCE 7541 a
--MTX THUNDER 564
--KENWOOD Excelon KAC-X541


As i have said the only thing matter for me is SQ and not loudness.
Also i may need to buy a powerfull amp considering the fact that now i will buy 2 subs instead of rear full range speakers.Which sub will u recommend,10" or 12"?Price difference is just $10.

I hope i can get wurth and MDF rings from Jallandhar or Ludhiana as i CAN NOT get this stuuf here from BATALA.
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Old 8th November 2005, 11:53   #228
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Sorry navin i missed ur post.How come it came later than Gunbir's?

Anyway good news that crutchfiled has reduced spk prices.So i shud buy now.[or never]


Do guide me abt amplifier which i have listed?


Thanx.........
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As i have said the only thing matter for me is SQ and not loudness.
Also i may need to buy a powerfull amp considering the fact that now i will buy 2 subs instead of rear full range speakers.Which sub will u recommend,10" or 12"?Price difference is just $10.
Go for 12's they will play louder than 10's. Though tens will be tighter...Choice is yours
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JB, he said he wanted SQ so I recommended the 10"s. of the amps you have listed the alpine 240 gets my vote. Not that the others are bad. I just live the lushness of my 340 so maybe i am biased. Maybe JB's got a different opinion.
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Now i can divide my stuff into two categories.


Almost certain-
1.Two Infinty subs1040 as 10" will give me tighter bass as mentioned by navin & JB --$90 from crutchfield.com
2.Infinty ref 5010 components for front panel--$144 $90 from crutchfield.com though i may well go for 50.7 kappa series and leaving 5012 for rear from onlinestereo for $209. [plz give me feedback on this idea]
3.Infinty 5012 coaxial for rear if i go for ref series or above option.

Not certain--
One of following HU for ~$250 from onlinecarstereo.com
1.Alpine HU 9853 [$280] or 9851 for $230
2.kenwood789 [$237]

I have not heard anything else than sony,jvc and pio so dont know which one will produce BETTER SOUND

AMPLIFIER-- This is most difficult part though i have shortlisted my choice to alpine 240 or Roackford fosgate p4004.

1.Alpine 240 for $150 from onlinecarstereo.com
2.Rockford fosgate p4004 for

If alpine can power one pair each of subs and front components then i can go for alpine 240 and HU will be kenwood 879.


Cant decide........never thought i will put myself in this situation few weeks back.

What about sam,asseem and other???????????????
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2.Rockford fosgate p4004 for
********Rockford amp for $219 from online carstereo

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If alpine can power one pair each of subs and front components then i can go for alpine 240 and HU will be kenwood 879
Kenwood 789 and not 879
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Doc, Aseem, Sam and others are helping others out - they dedicate much more time and energy to this forum than my 30-40 min per day. here are my opinions.

Considering your budget I'd stick to the 5010 and 5012 combo.

I have no expereince with Kenwood lately. They were quite good in the late 80s to early 90s. then fell on hard times. It might be they have recovered. Between the 9853 and 9851 I'd jump for the 9853 in an instant esp with a $50 difference. In fact I would try and afford the 9855 it has a nicer display and trust me if you are ever connecting an ipod with 60GB of music on it you need as much display as you can get. but that is just me.

if you are drivintg the sub and front the 240 might be a bit small. the 240 is very nice for the fullrange speakers but for subs you need more volts. So in this case get the biggest amp you can afford. remember you intend to power 2 10" subs so each channel on the amo would drive 1 10". Think 60W+.

something like this
http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAu...roductID=15083

one more option is to get the alpine 240 for the 4 speakers then get a 2 ch amp for the subs.

something like this
http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAu...roductID=14751

another solution may be on post 12 and 13 on this thread...
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/showth...d=1#post139341

pleae reember that onlinecarstereo's policies are not the same as crutchfield. I find Crutchfield's sales policies very good. In the US I dont go anywhere else even at the cost of paying a few dollars more.

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In fact I would try and afford the 9855 it has a nicer display and trust me if you are ever connecting an ipod with 60GB of music on it you need as much display as you can get. but that is just me.
No way i can afford 9855.You know i am not doing pvt practice yet and i am dependent on my salary only.

Also another fact that i have read on many articles about car audio[even in ur forum] that major part of money should go for speakers then amplifier and last HU.
Between 9847 to 9855 there wont be any significant improvement in SQ [my guess] but later models will have better display/aux input/remote control and some other features.So i can invest that money on speakers and amplifier.

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if you are drivintg the sub and front the 240 might be a bit small. the 240 is very nice for the fullrange speakers but for subs you need more volts. So in this case get the biggest amp you can afford. remember you intend to power 2 10" subs so each channel on the amo would drive 1 10". Think 60W+.
yeah...i had asked same question few posts back.Thats why i had shortlisted few other amps also.Kenwood Excelon KAC-X541 has impress me very much.
Navin i can also go for 5-channel amp.So then how about Soundstream XTA600.5 ?But is the quality comparable to alpine amplifier??
Anyway i can always buy 2-chanel amp for subs here also.Cant bring 2 amps from USA.
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I think i should not waste more time & trouble u any more and should go ahead to purchase my dream car system.Here is what i have decided.

1.Alpine 9847--$180
2.Infinty 5010 components--$144
3.Infinty 5012 coaxial--$80
4.Infinty 1040 subw*2--$90

That leaves $200 for amplifier.
1.I may go for Alpine 240 for $144 to power all spk and buy some 2-channel sony vony to power 2 subw.
2.As navin said i will buy some powerful amp like soundstream XTA720.4/MTX thunder564/kenwood excelon KAC-X541 for around $200 to power front+subw and hook rear to HU.
3.Buy 5-channel amp like soundstream XTA600.5

But then i really cant guess how will soundstream fare against Alpine in SQ.Plz help me out.
Few weeks back i saw a alpine 4-channel for 3700/-Rs and alpine 2-channel for 1700/-Rs in a shop in Batala.Cant remember the model no. but 4 channel one looked like 240.
If i choose 1st option then i will buy this 2 channel for 1700 bucks and power 2 subw.
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I think i should not waste more time & trouble u any more and should go ahead to purchase my dream car system.Here is what i have decided.

1.Alpine 9847--$180
2.Infinty 5010 components--$144
3.Infinty 5012 coaxial--$80
4.Infinty 1040 subw*2--$90

That leaves $200 for amplifier.
1.I may go for Alpine 240 for $144 to power all spk and buy some 2-channel sony vony to power 2 subw.
2.As navin said i will buy some powerful amp like soundstream XTA720.4/MTX thunder564/kenwood excelon KAC-X541 for around $200 to power front+subw and hook rear to HU.
3.Buy 5-channel amp like soundstream XTA600.5

But then i really cant guess how will soundstream fare against Alpine in SQ.Plz help me out.
Few weeks back i saw a alpine 4-channel for 3700/-Rs and alpine 2-channel for 1700/-Rs in a shop in Batala.Cant remember the model no. but 4 channel one looked like 240.
If i choose 1st option then i will buy this 2 channel for 1700 bucks and power 2 subw.
The Alpine amps you saw in Batala are fake Alpine amplifiers which are assembled in India. The Soundstream 5 channel sounds much better amplifier than buying the fake alpines back in India. Also having a single 5 channel amp as opposed to two amps would save you on space! There is no upper limit for the ideal setup, the SQ can always be better, the SPL can always be more, but you need to consider your budget and try aiming for the best possible system given your budget.
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But then i really cant guess how will soundstream fare against Alpine in SQ.Plz help me out.
Few weeks back i saw a alpine 4-channel for 3700/-Rs and alpine 2-channel for 1700/-Rs in a shop in Batala.Cant remember the model no. but 4 channel one looked like 240.
If i choose 1st option then i will buy this 2 channel for 1700 bucks and power 2 subw.
Those are fake Alpines... stay away...

We havent seen the newer soundstreams... not sure how good they are anymore... I have read bass on the XTA series sounds sloppy and uncontrolled.

But we have used a lot of alpine amps. And I can recommend these. You may have to spend a lil bit more for the Alpine but it will be worth it.
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1.Alpine 9847--$180
2.Infinty 5010 components--$144
3.Infinty 5012 coaxial--$80
4.Infinty 1040 subw*2--$90

That leaves $200 for amplifier.
1.I may go for Alpine 240 for $144 to power all spk and buy some 2-channel sony vony to power 2 subw.
2.As navin said i will buy some powerful amp like soundstream XTA720.4/MTX thunder564/kenwood excelon KAC-X541 for around $200 to power front+subw and hook rear to HU.
3.Buy 5-channel amp like soundstream XTA600.5 .....
If i choose 1st option then i will buy this 2 channel for 1700 bucks and power 2 subw.
if you choose option 1 then get the sony 504 in india for rs. 4K. bridge it and use it to drive the 2 10" subs. I have used it this way as part of a budget subwoofer system with 2 Pio 306C subs in aperiodic 1 cu. ft. boxes and it works fine. Total cost of subs, boxes and amp was 12K. but remember your total spend will be $144 (alpine 240) and $90 (sony 504) = $234 for both amps.

A 5 channel amp is a lot simpler install. the only reason i did not suggest the amp earlier (I did see it) is that you got 2 10" subs. in parallel their impedance will be 2 ohms. if you look at the specs under stability they do not recommend channel 5 (sub channel) running in 2 ohms mode (they claim it is stable only in 4 ohm mode, wierdly they specify the amp at 240W @2 ohms in channel 5).

one option is to wire the subs in series which will give youa 8 ohm sub but will also limit the power from the amp to each sub to be about 30W (60W total). This is because the amp's power supply is not a tightly regulated one and it's power delivery is depenadant on the load.

So I feel the best option is option 1 using a sony 504. Option 3 is your next best option only if the amp can be tested as stable in 2 ohms in channel 5 with all 5 channels driven (channels 1-4 driven at 4 ohms). Remember an amp might be stable in channel 5 if the other channels are not driven so test it with all 5 channels being driven.
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Those are fake Alpines... stay away...

We havent seen the newer soundstreams... not sure how good they are anymore... I have read bass on the XTA series sounds sloppy and uncontrolled.

But we have used a lot of alpine amps. And I can recommend these. You may have to spend a lil bit more for the Alpine but it will be worth it.
Thanx Gunbir......Yeah also i knew it.i saw these amps with same guys who said he will charge 100 for installation and 100 more for amp installation.
Anyway i will make him read ur thread 'installation in Getz ' and pay him 500-1000[whatever he agrees] sit over his head.I like to do it myself but dont know how to remove central console and other things.

About amp i will buy alpine 240 and then decide about 2nd amp here in India.
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Doc, see post 2325 and 2327 on the thread below, indian alpine prices are quite competitive.

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/showth...d=1#post139757
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