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Old 10th November 2010, 17:31   #136
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Vanhallen, tell me about it. I'm 2X the budget I originally had in mind

These amps are two channel units.
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Steg K Competition Series K2 01.
Plus, the Stegs have improved my disco sound even further.
GTO are you sitting down? Bhagwan paid Rs. 1.8L for his Masterstroke
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HOLLLLYY!!! *cough cough hack* yeah! And I thought I wanted to tell you its val not van! Errrr yeah! The clarion sounds nice.
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How about a single ( 80-90% of the RMS per channel) 4-channel STEG instead of two 2-channels?
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GTO are you sitting down? Bhagwan paid Rs. 1.8L for his Masterstroke
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That's not Bhagwan's car, Navin.

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How about a single ( 80-90% of the RMS per channel) 4-channel STEG instead of two 2-channels?
Will have to get one custom-built. But that isnt an option, since Steg has shut shop.

Btw, we have some unfinished business. I'd appreciate you looking into it. Thanks.
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Was a capacitor tried at any stage as suggested by a few in this thread couple of times. AFAIK, was'nt it supposed to be the most economical solution..or is it too low tech a solution to even bother trying?

Car Audio Capacitors - Why You Can't Do Without Them - by Roger Charles
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Old 11th November 2010, 00:23   #142
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@sanjay somewhere along the course of this thread it was mentioned to the extent that the battery charge is dropping and if the eld takes time to kick in even the cap will not have sufficient to juice the amps. And the other thing is for this grade of ice they'd need a 2~4F cap not available very often.
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Didn't you say that the steg was a 4 channel or navin sir said it was a 4 channel. Then why one more amp?
the amps GTo has got a K 2-01.

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HOLLLLYY!!! *cough cough hack* yeah! And I thought I wanted to tell you its val not van! Errrr yeah! The clarion sounds nice.
Relax GTO's amps are not the Masterstoke. They are Competition series K2-01.


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That's not Bhagwan's car, Navin.
Will have to get one custom-built. But that isnt an option, since Steg has shut shop.
My bad. I forget "Bags" has a vRS not a Superb. His home audio is somethig else though that is why I link him with any big system I see.

I know Steg has shut shop that is why I was surprised you still have them. Does Orca (the guys who sell the Ravens) still support Steg? GT Electronics (Tiziano Giacomoni) has closed shop too na?

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And the other thing is for this grade of ice they'd need a 2~4F cap not available very often.
what we needed was an amp that was more tolerant of power supply voltage. Mr. Giacomoni's Stegs with their Primary Regulated High Efficiency Supply (PRHES) was one such amp. The only Steg that did not employ PHRES were the QMos and they will were stable to 11V (The K and MS are stable to 10V). GT Electronics was sadly short lived (approx 1988/9 to 2006/7 - B&T please correct the dates).

If the ELD did not allow the battery to get charged it would prevent the cap to get chraged too so using a cap was a long shot.
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Hmm can't stop researching them amps far as I can see. If you say they have closed down how are these amps still available.
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Hmm can't stop researching them amps far as I can see. If you say they have closed down how are these amps still available.
No B&T had told me this long time ago.

The amps that are available are a few leftovers. Fortunately I think B&T has the service manuals, should anything go wrong.
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Nice to know one of the guess did turn to be correct.

The issue is solved but the problem remains.

Progressive increase in sulfation due battery not gaining full charge in use will lead to increase in frequency of battery change.

Why not let everything as it is and only power one DLS amp after the ELD and disco?

Its a zero cost solution and will prolong the battery life also.
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Progressive increase in sulfation due battery not gaining full charge in use will lead to increase in frequency of battery change.
The ELD will determine if the battery is suffciently charged wont it? We are just using amps that will operate below (in this case as low as 10V) the threshold voltage (assumed to be somwhere around 12-12.5V) the ELD has set for the battery to be charged.
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Why tax the battery when you have a capable alternator.

I don't know if there is a sensor to keep check on battery voltage, but then in that case this problem would not have ever surfaced.
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Why tax the battery when you have a capable alternator.

I don't know if there is a sensor to keep check on battery voltage, but then in that case this problem would not have ever surfaced.
Gigy,

the ELD prevents the battery from being charged at a rate faster than it is being discharged but once the battery discharged below some undtermined threshold (set by the ELD) it gets charged fast so while the ELD in some manner does ensure the battery is not overcharged.

Te simplest solution was to get amps that were not sensitive to the ELD's threshold.
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As far as i know, all vehicle as of now use constant voltage charging as its self regulatory and quickly recharges the battery after start.

so immediately after starting the car, the battery gets charged up fast (since its terminal voltage has fallen causing more current to flow) and as its gets fully charged increase in closed circuit terminal voltage reduces the current flow to minimum.

till battery demands more current ELD is not going to boost it up.
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