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Old 27th February 2011, 12:59   #1
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Question SPL Setup in Swift for 35k

My Swift has run without ICE for 9 months now, various reasons actually, but mainly it was that at no given point of time I was sure if I was buying the best products that were available for the money I was ready to spend.

I've posted my queries a couple of times but due to lack of Vitamin M the installation never materialized. Now having visited a couple of ICE installers in Delhi and with Vitamin M in place, I am here to finalize the ICE setup for my car.

The car is driven with just 2 occupants max and the music we like is Pop/Trance/Hip-hop/Rap. From the sub my expectations are deep clear & LOUD bass, boot space isn't an issue at all.

Budget is 35k (cannot exceed even by 1 rupee)

HU - JBL x333 - 4500/- (Finalized)
Components - JBL GTO 608c - 5200/- (Finalized unless there's something better at a similar price)
Sub - JBL GTO 1214 (350w rms) - 6000/- (No longer available, but I really want to have 350 rms)
Amp - Kenwood KAC-8404 - 9500/- (500w x 1 at 4ohms (0.5%THD) | 900w x 2 at 2ohms (0.8%THD)) Different websites show different specs for this amp, I'm not certain of the specs at all
Power Kit/Speaker Wiring - 4000/-
MDF Ring - 150/-
Labour - 1000/-
Damping - 3000/-
Total - 33350/-

Now for the questions:
1. What is -6db setting in GTO608c components, does it really take care of the shrillness? Do I have a better option if spending 5500 on components? (Bull components are not available)
2. If JBL GTO1214 is no longer available what is my option if I want 350w rms kind of output? (I was offered Bull sub but its too low at 200w rms only) Any idea how much GTO1514 (15") costs? Sub is where I really need help.
3. Is Kenwood KAC-8404 an adequate amp when powering a sub (350w rms kinds) and components? Should I be looking at a mono-amp instead and run components via the HU? What are my other options
4. What power kit (brand) should I be looking for? Should it be 4 guage or would 7 guage suffice? Also, any specific RCA cable/speaker wiring kit that I should be looking for?
5. Damping - What are my options in Delhi?

My main issue is narrowing down the sub as I want the loudest possible sub at around 6000-7000 (including enclosure).
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KAC-8404 puts out 50wX4 at 4 ohms and 75wX4 at 2 ohms. In bridged mode, it will put out 150-180w rms to your sub, so why do you want a 350w rms sub? Your amp will be grossly under-powering it.

You have 2 options-
1. Either get a 150-200w sub and use the amp's front channels to power the comps and bridge the rear channels to power the sub or
2. Use the amp to power the front comps and the rear speakers and get a mono amp to power the 350w sub.

7 gauge wiring will suffice for kac-8404.

For damping you can look at stinger, dynamat or noisekill.
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KAC-8404 puts out 50wX4 at 4 ohms and 75wX4 at 2 ohms. In bridged mode, it will put out 150-180w rms to your sub, so why do you want a 350w rms sub? Your amp will be grossly under-powering it.
Kenwood India website shows incorrect specs for this amp then.
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You have 2 options-
1. Either get a 150-200w sub and use the amp's front channels to power the comps and bridge the rear channels to power the sub or
2. Use the amp to power the front comps and the rear speakers and get a mono amp to power the 350w sub.
I really don't know if I must have an amp for front comps or not, do I? What I need is a sub with 350w rms kind of output but what are my options here? Accordingly I'd narrow down an amp.
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Now for the questions:
1. What is -6db setting in GTO608c components, does it really take care of the shrillness? Do I have a better option if spending 5500 on components? (Bull components are not available)
1. Not really and a lot depends upon ear. You can try Morel Maximo / Alpine Type S in that budget.


2. If JBL GTO1214 is no longer available what is my option if I want 350w rms kind of output? (I was offered Bull sub but its too low at 200w rms only) Any idea how much GTO1514 (15") costs? Sub is where I really need help.
2. Don't go by RMS ratings. Just audition a few subwoofers.

3. Is Kenwood KAC-8404 an adequate amp when powering a sub (350w rms kinds) and components? Should I be looking at a mono-amp instead and run components via the HU? What are my other options
3. It will be more than enough if you don't wanna get loud enough so your neighbors envy you.

4. What power kit (brand) should I be looking for? Should it be 4 guage or would 7 guage suffice? Also, any specific RCA cable/speaker wiring kit that I should be looking for?
4. Street Wire / Kicker / Bull Audio / JBL

5. Damping - What are my options in Delhi?
5. Visit Driven
My answers are in BOLD!
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@abhibh: Thanks for your response.

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1. Not really and a lot depends upon ear. You can try Morel Maximo / Alpine Type S in that budget.
That is what I actually wanted to know, pity that I haven't been able to audition GTO608c till date. I wanted to get a few ideas first and then audition them consecutively. Morel Maximo retails around 7k I believe and hence I didn't consider them.

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2. Don't go by RMS ratings. Just audition a few subwoofers.
That's what I concluded after spending the last couple of hours going through old threads. Sensitivity (as mentioned by Navin) plays a big role in SPL rather than these rms ratings which were misguiding me all along. I've narrowed down JBL CS1215 / Bull's SW12 / GZ 30T (can I get this for 7k) but not certain if I can audition GZ at Driven.

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3. It will be more than enough if you don't wanna get loud enough so your neighbors envy you.
That is exactly what I want. Which out of the three subs has that kind of SPL which can make it happen?
I am ready to shell out more on the amp but really want an SPL setup. (without compromising too much on SQ)

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4. Street Wire / Kicker / Bull Audio / JBL
And these would be 4 guage or 8 guage considering the subs above and the amp powering it to the max.

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5. Damping - What are my options in Delhi?
5. Visit Driven
I did but there weren't any of Wurth, Dynamat or Noisekill.
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JBL GT-X333 is now 4000/- in Blore. I am installing mine this week.

Get a price revision from your dealer.

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JBL GT-X333 is now 4000/- in Blore. I am installing mine this week.
This is strange! When someone down south was getting x333 for 4500 I was quoted 5000 for it here in Delhi. Isn't the price supposed to be the same all across India?

indiajbl.com still shows x333 at 4990/-
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Guys I need more recommendations for an SPL setup for 35k.

The only unit finalized is the HU - JBL's x333 - 4500/-
Unless there's better components available at 5200-5500/- than the GTO 608c I think I'd stick to them (Bull components aren't in stock, no clue how much Morel Maximo's cost)
Keeping 7k aside for Damping, Wiring & Installation

This leaves me with 18k for a sub (or two 10" subs) & an amp (or amps) that could wake the neighbourhood up, possible?
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If you have 18K try sourcing a JBL 1004 4 ch. amp and audition the Polk db1240 SVC (360W RMS power handling)

If you can stretch your budget a bit check out the New Infinity subs.
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This leaves me with 18k for a sub (or two 10" subs) & an amp (or amps) that could wake the neighbourhood up, possible?
Try visiting Driven and ask them for DD LE312. I think that can cater your SPL needs with a good 4 CH amp.
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T-bhpians from Delhi!! - Requesting help in auditioning some SPL subs please.

By the way would it be a good idea to have two JBL CS1215 instead of 1 Polk Audio/DD sub?
SPL wise wouldn't 2 subs (~4k each) make more sense?
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T-bhpians from Delhi!! - Requesting help in auditioning some SPL subs please.

By the way would it be a good idea to have two JBL CS1215 instead of 1 Polk Audio/DD sub?
SPL wise wouldn't 2 subs (~4k each) make more sense?
How do you plan to run 2 subs and components with a 4 CH entry level amp ?
Each JBL sub would need around 200W RMS.

What you need is 1 sub in ported box if you plan to power compos and sub with an entry level 4CH amp.
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Here is one options for you (34-36,000 bucks)-

JBL's x333 4500
gto 1004 9500
wiring 4awg 4000
damping (stinger) 3000
comps 4500-5500
sub (infinity) 7000-8000
Sub enclosure 1000

As far as the comps and the sub is concerned, go down to driven and a couple of other installers and ask them for an audition for a few comps and subs within your budget and then take a call on what sounds good to you.
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How do you plan to run 2 subs and components with a 4 CH entry level amp ?
Each JBL sub would need around 200W RMS.

What you need is 1 sub in ported box if you plan to power compos and sub with an entry level 4CH amp.
At 18k I was planning to have 2 subs for 8k (2 JBL 10" or 12" in ported) and either 1 amp for 10k (can I get GTO 1004 for 10k?) or 2 amps (say 5k each). Here I'd be running the components off HU (Is this a bad idea?)

Does this kind of setup look feasible?

I'm doubtful if I can get 2 JBL 1215 in ported for 8k hence I was also considering 2 GT5-10. Would these two JBL 10" be more loud than one 12" that is available for 7-8k?

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Here is one options for you (34-36,000 bucks)-

JBL's x333 4500
gto 1004 9500
wiring 4awg 4000
damping (stinger) 3000
comps 4500-5500
sub (infinity) 7000-8000
Sub enclosure 1000

As far as the comps and the sub is concerned, go down to driven and a couple of other installers and ask them for an audition for a few comps and subs within your budget and then take a call on what sounds good to you.
I'd indeed be going to driven and a couple of other installers this saturday (again) but the only confusion is with the sub selection. As I mentioned above, I'm not certain if SPL-wise getting 2 subs (even if they are two 10") makes more sense than 1?

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I would suggest you to get one good sub instead of two entry level subs. I was planning on getting two 1214's myself but after taking all the advise I got from here I settled for a single MKII and that turned out to be the best decision I'v ever made. Plus if you want two subs you will have to spend more on the amps since I'm sure you want to power the compos too. I don't think given your budget a dual sub setup would be a good choice. You can always audition various brands and setups and make the final decision.

Another thing, if you are planning on connecting the 608C's to the 1004 keep the gain a little low as the 608C's won't be able to handle all that power. I have known of some cases where the 1004 has fried a couple of 608C's. Although that could have been a case of a faulty batch of speakers. Either way bring it to the installers notice.

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