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Old 8th December 2005, 20:59   #1
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Default Tata TL 4X4 India's First Sports Utility Truck (SUT)

Hi Guyz,
Came across this news,
Tata Motors Introduces the Power Packed- Tata TL 4X4 India's First Sports Utility Truck (SUT)

Here's the link,
http://tatamotors.com/our_world/pres...97&action=Pull

I thought India is going to witness an American SUV/Pickup kind of thing but searched and found the some photos here,

http://ib.tatamotors.com/value/GetSp...11&GalleryID=6

http://www.dolwengarage.co.uk/tl-single.htm

Think this is the SUT they are talking about. This looks similar to the 207(think that's the name) pickup that TATA sells for ages together.

Isn't this too much hype from TATA Motors?
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Old 8th December 2005, 21:11   #2
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Those plastic flares let it down. Lets see what Mahindra come up with, the Scorpio based SUT should be with us soon. Hopefully they will learn a few things from Lotus with regards to improving the ride quality. The Tata Twin cab does not look too bad.

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This appears to be the UK website... Doesn't the Indian version has the 3.0L engine ?
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the indian version has the 3.0L engine but that does not come with the tc.The pickup looks pretty neat and seems more rounded than the 207.


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that's the tata 207 IDI pickup/crewcab;the 207 DI version is powered by a 3.0 litre 67 bhp, N.A engine (i think)...

tata is going overboard with the "hype" thing; out there, in the international markets that the crew cab is meant for, there are much better options, like the hilux pick-ups (but the mainstream is a 2wd). nevertheless, the front styling is a carbon copy of the sierra turbo, which, IMHO, looks absolutely beautiful...but the rear is bland, though.

one thing- it's never gonna make it here due to the crappy registration formalities, that require every pick-up to be registered as a C.V. moreover, even if the laws were to be bent somehow to introduce it as a lifestyle vehicle, i don't see much demand for it unless it sports the 3.0 DICOR....
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Rather skinny looking - not what we're used to seeing abroad...

This is what you get in Malaysia (locally assembled there by HiCom)

AutoWorld

In Australia

South Africa

Its different from the 207 in terms of engine options as well as the raised suspension and 4X4 shift-on-the-fly.

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Mahindra, Toyota, Tata are not going to offer these in India to individual buyers. Reson, all pickups have to be registered as Commercial Vehicles. This leads to lot of inconvinience in lue of taxes, inspections blah blah.

Current Registeration law. If passenger carrying capacity(Weight) > Load carrying capacity, vehicle is a CV.
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CV have lower exise duty which could save you some moolah, but does it have to be registered as a yellow board ??
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CV have lower exise duty which could save you some moolah, but does it have to be registered as a yellow board ??
worse, (at least) in Kerala, you have to paint the front and back ends of the vehicle yellow...
and you need a 'badge' license too.
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Quote:
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Mahindra, Toyota, Tata are not going to offer these in India to individual buyers. Reson, all pickups have to be registered as Commercial Vehicles. This leads to lot of inconvinience in lue of taxes, inspections blah blah.

Current Registeration law. If passenger carrying capacity(Weight) > Load carrying capacity, vehicle is a CV.
u sure this is what u meant? every car is a CV?

is it single cab only. difficult convincing wives and family for buying this
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Am very curious to find out ifnon commercial buyers can get at this vehicle. Plus the fact that it isnt really cheap starting at 5.8 and going upwards of 7 lakhs I wonder how many will go for this instead of a regular C+ sedan.
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Sorry guys but its the 2.0 Safari TC engine with around 92 hp (up by 3) and 195Nm of torque (up by 10). Have done an extensive drive of the car and can tell you it is one fun car. Don't expect to drive it like a car, but it is quite decent. Yes quality isn't great, but for those who want a pick-up that's reasonably powerful and loaded, this is it for now.

It corners flat, requires a lot of gear changes (engine braking) but in the twisties this can be one helluva amazing car. Gearbox is surprisingly decent and slots in well. Turning circle is a joke and three point turns are the norm. Brakes are ok, not very effective at times but they don't fade as such.

Should cost in the region of 6-8 lakhs. Available in three colour codes. Black, silver and black-silver two tone. Worth it? Give it a shot and then lemme know. In my book it is a good first attempt. Let's see what the competition has to offer.

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P.S. It's a double cab and YES it is available for PRIVATE REGISTRATION.
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Sorry, I said the opposite, if load > passenger then its a CV, apologies
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Originally Posted by sandeepmdas
worse, (at least) in Kerala, you have to paint the front and back ends of the vehicle yellow...
and you need a 'badge' license too.
PLUS

1 packet of Dinesh Beedi
1 soiled towel around your neck
1 bisleri bottle filled with hooch
and one really surly attitude.
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Can't understand why so much hype is being created around a vehicle which has been around for 17-odd years. That's right - 17 years! This is nothing but the Tatamobile with a turbo and intercooler added to the engine, 4X4 transfer case borrowed from the non-DICOR Safari, headlamps borrowed from the Tata Estate (also found on 207 DI) and a few cheap quality frills added here and there. The Tatamobile was introduced by Tata in July 1988 and still continues to be around in the somewhat different avatar of 207DI. How long will it be before Tata discards the dies for this machine?

Here's what I'd like them to do:
  1. Take the chassis of the 207
  2. Fit it with the Cummins B 3.8 litre engine that Tata-Cummins manufactures under license, after DICORing the same
  3. Now, engage the services of IDEA or STILE BERTONE or some other good European design house and ask them to design a truly modern pick-up truck on the above platform
  4. Sell the vehicle that will result in thousands all over the world
  5. Provide lower cost options for India (maybe with the existing DI 3 litre engine) and sell in thousands all over India
I think Tata can produce and sell such a vehicle at a competitive price.
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