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Old 23rd April 2011, 22:44   #1
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Spotted a Bare bodied Volvo B7R entering Azad's Workshop. And then Spotted a URAL (made in kolkatta, in collobration with Ural Russia) Kolkatta state Govt. also has a stake in the company. Bus was refreshing to look but the build quality leaves a lot to be desired.

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Fantastic! Are they using Cummins engines?
Any customers so far?
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No, the engine is Chinese manufactured by the biggest engine manufacturer in China. They have further entered into Joint Venture with them.

Faw Jiefang Automotive Company.Ltd.Wuxi Diesel Engine Works.

As for the customers the Kolkatta government have recently ordered 25 nos. of these busses, roughfly costing around 25 lakhs each. These busses even ply in US and other countries too.

I got one more picture from the site ************* and excerpt from the same

"Ural India is entering booming bus business in India. It has signed a technical collaboration agreement with FAW of China for manufacturing low, semi floor and inter-city buses in India.

URAL India,the threeway JV between Uralaz of Russia,Kolkata based Motijug group and the West Bengal government,has just received clearance from the central government for supplying low-floor buses to state governments under JNNURM (Jawaharlal Nehru National Urban Renewal Mission) scheme.The company is producing buses at its existing plant in Haldia and the average price of these buses has been kept at Rs 25 lakh.
It has sought an extra 200 acres from the West Bengal government for setting up a greenfield bus manufacturing facility adjacent to its existing facility.
Confirming the development,Mr Anirudh Kanoi,director of Ural India said: Under the JNNURM scheme,we will be able to provide buses to all state governments.We have just received an order from the West Bengal government for supplying 20 buses.We will submit bids to all state governments if they float tenders for buses.These are largely city and inter-city buses.
At present,the Haldia plant can produce 1,000 buses.We are now producing 40-seater low floor buses that can accommodate 200 passengers.Our plan is to increase production to 3,000 buses and then subsequently to 7,000 buses once we get the land, Mr Kanoi added.
The JNNURM order under the ministry of urban development has set an ambitious target to add nearly 15,000 buses in 61 major cities across the country.This is part of the governments initiative to provide better public transportation and reduce traffic congestion and pollution.The project is funded by the ministry of urban development.
The process of placing orders by various state and city transport undertakings is being done on a war footing,and so far orders for 8,000 buses have already been placed with various vehicle manufacturers.The balance orders are also expected to be finalised.Of the 15,000 buses,20% will be low-floor and semi low-floor AC and non-AC buses and the balance will be normal city buses.
The bus industry,particularly the city bus segment,has witnessed a sea-change in the product and technology aimed at providing better passenger comfort and safety.Most major metros are opting for low floor or semi low floor AC/non-AC buses with automatic transmission,air suspension systems,automatic door opening and closing systems,vehicle tracking system,online passenger information system,LED sign boards,electronic ticketing,smart cards.
We are sourcing components and technology from all across the world including Germany,Italy and Russia to produce these buses, said Mr Kanoi added.
Ural India is presently manufacturing trucks, dumpers and special anti-mine vehicles for army and police. With the new arrangement they will now be able to cater to the needs of general markets also. Besides they will also offer bus chassis to customers for building their own bodies.
FAW Group is a leading global manufacturer of trucks, buses and passenger cars in China. According to Mr. Anirudh Kanoi, Director, Ural India Ltd., these buses are built at their Haldia factory in West Bengal and production has already started. Currently, the buses are imported as CKDs from FAW and assembled at their Indian plant. They have achieved indigenisation to the extent of 25 per cent and Mr. J.K. Saraf, Chairman of Ural India expects that in the next couple of years this will go upto 50 per cent. These buses are estimated to cost between Rs. 25 lakhs to Rs. 50 lakhs."Name:  URALBuspic.jpg
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Was going through the site.They do mention 3 types of Intercity buses -Front engined,rear engined and multiaxle.

But when you look at the pics, both rear engined buses appear multi axle's .
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This is URAL's turn in making mistakes in their home page it seems
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Was going through the site.They do mention 3 types of Intercity buses -Front engined,rear engined and multiaxle.

But when you look at the pics, both rear engined buses appear multi axle's .
Ya there is some kind of error in those pdf, and the front engine intercity bus shoes rear engined one.

In the city bus section they do show a front engine chassis.
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Have any of you noticed, these buses except for the 3axle ones use a 4cyl Turbocharged Intercooled engine. 4CYL!!!!!

The only product in the whole lineup which is decent, on paper, is the 8x4 Tipper. All the other products dont match upto what TML and ALL have to offer.

I think, it should be a massive flop. And I dont understand why the WB govt wants to invest in an Automotive company??!!
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I think, it should be a massive flop. And I dont understand why the WB govt wants to invest in an Automotive company??!!
Some thing is better than nothing... WB is famous and infamous for automobile revolution. HM is at WB. Again the big political battle ground Singur(Tata) makes them present in auto industry.
Even you have few Chinese bike company @ WB which many of us dont know.
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Have any of you noticed, these buses except for the 3axle ones use a 4cyl Turbocharged Intercooled engine. 4CYL!!!!!

The only product in the whole lineup which is decent, on paper, is the 8x4 Tipper. All the other products dont match upto what TML and ALL have to offer.

I think, it should be a massive flop. And I dont understand why the WB govt wants to invest in an Automotive company??!!
Just comapring no of cylinders will not do, there are lot of other parameters. the wuxi engine (Ural) is 110 kW @ 4.75 Lt, cummins is 132 kW @ 5.9 Lt. In nut shell both engine make approx 23 kW / Lt.

Also we compare BHP/ Ton, the ural with a 15.5 ton = 7.09 Kw / ton

and Tata with 16.2 ton = 8.1, this is not much of a difference per see.

But then we need to know the BMEP to compare the engines other wise we are comparing apple to orange.

Furhter altough the torque of the Ural bus is lesser then the Cummind but makes the peak torque at much lower rpm, which I think should be a boom for city bus.

As for why the WB govt. has stake in the company, cause elsewere the ural is very much popular and are known to be robust. Ural in India is doing a lot of projects with Indian Military.

Seeing the opportunity they have brought in the public segment vehicles, and to keep the cost low they have the FAW / wuxxi diesel. How ever what really would be the challange would be product support. WB Govt. per see want to have manufacturers in its state as was evident from the Nano plant, but there were other issues to it. All across WB is a fertile land .

But both partners hail from a communist background

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I agree with julu not matter how much power it makes a 4 cyl is a mental block for operators. In addition a 4 will have lot more vibration than a 6.

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Furhter altough the torque of the Ural bus is lesser then the Cummind but makes the peak torque at much lower rpm, which I think should be a boom for city bus.
What is the peak torque and at what rpm? The Cummins itself is a low power engine compared to Volvo, Merc and Isuzu.


I'm assuming this is a super luxury rear engine bus going after Volvo market.
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A 4cyl engine provides much less balance, and 6 cylinder engines provides a more linear and continuous power delivery compared to 4cylinder engines. Which is exactly why all manufacturers prefer a 6cyl engine, unless the cost saving is high enough to justify a 4cylinder one.

As for the actual values, you cant just compare the maximum values, you have to compare the complete torque curve. The Wuxi engine gives you maximum 600Nm at 1300rpm, and the 6BT Cummins gives you 675Nm at 1400rpm. Looking at these values, I am sure the Cummins will be giving more than 600Nm at 1300rpm. So I dont see where the Wuxi has an advantage. Also, the Cummins being a 6cylinder engine, will probably provide you with more torque over the complete rpm range. Same will be the case with ALL H-series engines. Not to mention that both Tata and ALL have the option of providing you a 245hp and 230hp version as well with close to 1000Nm of torque.

Comparing BMEPs and Kw/Lt values, only tells us how well the engine is designed, but not its suitability in the operation.

As for the Kw/ton values, the Tata has 15% more peak power per ton. If you dont consider that significant, that is your opinion.

Not to mention, the Ural uses a 5+1 Transmission. While Tata has a 5+1, 6+1 or Automatic transmissions on offer.

Also, I dont see Ural offering radial tyres or disc brakes on its city buses.

As for defence vehicle, which it seems is actually Ural's strong point, may we know as to what kind of projects that Ural is doing for India.

Among the listed products, the 8x8 and 10x10 HMVs, I am a bit shocked to see 300hp engines. Both ALL and TML have recently come up with their own 8x8 HMVs, both of them using Cummins 420hp engines. Tata is also probably going to offer a 520hp version for their HMVs. Tata offers a 380hp enigine on its 6x6 trucks itself.

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