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Old 15th February 2013, 15:56   #46
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BSM projects this tough looking creation as a frontline missile carrier. It is the

- Tata 5252c 12x12 carrier
- Development partners include DRDO among many others
- Cummins 15L
- 203 Kgm torque, AWD, 400mm GC
- 7-speed Allison autobox
- Interior bits similar to Prima

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Atleast now we dont have to buy the outdated tatra trucks that indian govt bought with a associated scam.
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BSM projects this tough looking creation as a frontline missile carrier.
May be related to - "Tata Motors is also in the process of delivering 96 'Specialist Tractors' for the Indian Defence forces "Akash" missile programme".

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Atleast now we dont have to buy the outdated tatra trucks that indian govt bought with a associated scam.
Please understand this much. There is no other product that performs like a Tatra in the Indian fleet. It has got independent suspended axles that prevent it from getting bogged down in the desert sand unlike solid axle tractors. Also it being air cooled, the need to find water for radiator in the desert is not really there. A Tatra is a Tatra and all others are not really there.

Too sad such a competent machine got involved in a scam due to some incompetent people.

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Please understand this much. There is no other product that performs like a Tatra in the Indian fleet. It has got independent suspended axles that prevent it from getting bogged down in the desert sand unlike solid axle tractors. Also it being air cooled, the need to find water for radiator in the desert is not really there. A Tatra is a Tatra and all others are not really there.

Too sad such a competent machine got involved in a scam due to some incompetent people.
I very well know what a TATRA is. But the sad thing is we got outdated TATRAS.

TATRA has immense capabilities which no one can match. But since the deal was fixed we can see that this massive machine from TATA in given price can also do well.
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Please understand this much. There is no other product that performs like a Tatra in the Indian fleet. It has got independent suspended axles that prevent it from getting bogged down in the desert sand unlike solid axle tractors. Also it being air cooled, the need to find water for radiator in the desert is not really there. A Tatra is a Tatra and all others are not really there.

Too sad such a competent machine got involved in a scam due to some incompetent people.
So are we saying that the TATRA 10-15 year old design is still a better bet than options that TATA and others present to the Defence today.

Am not too aware of the specifications of TATRA but do clearly remember the new channels reporting that the design that TATRA was suppying to India was 15 years old version though they have something much newer with them today and that they were selling spare components at 10 times the price of the same components in the general market (don't know if that implied corruption in India or a Manufacturer taking us for a ride.

Besides the Ex - Services chief seemed to imply that the vehicles were not really that capable.

That said am no expert on defence trucks so this is just about perceptions at my end.
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Let's not take this page to TATRA vs others. There are many threads discussing TATRA dna on TBHP. Read up and the picture will get clear about why the 15 year old creation still commands the respect. All the negativity comes from the associated scam, and not the machine.
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Similar to Tatra trucks but may not be a replacement. With those long wheelbase it may not fare well off roads. Possibly for hauling huge armory where using Tatra might be an overkill. So even if it can do half of what the Tatra can do it can be a good indigenous supplement for the Army, saving a lot of money.
Long wheelbase buth with driven wheels can get the job done. Yes these indigenous machines will save our tax money.
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So are we saying that the TATRA 10-15 year old design is still a better bet than options that TATA and others present to the Defence today. ...
Tatra's are for sure a better design than any truck supplied to Indian army, currently by Tata, neither any manufacturer. Tatra's unique chassis with rigid central backbone tube and independent half-axle suspension makes it to carry heavy transport load but with relatively high speed in the most difficult terrain. Though others also ply in the same terrain, the maneuverability of Tatra's makes it so special.

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Let's not take this page to TATRA vs others. There are many threads discussing TATRA dna on TBHP. Read up and the picture will get clear about why the 15 year old creation still commands the respect. All the negativity comes from the associated scam, and not the machine.
Sorry Sandy.. let me stop here
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Id grately spprecaite it if snyone can snswer this :

This question is regarding the business aspect of TATA's inroads into the lucrative Indian defense industry.

Why make the push with these unique products when tested and tried products can be bought from the west ? Thanks to trigger happy nations like the USA , I think companies like BAE and all other western defense companies have already showcased their products for almost 2 decades.

Isn't it really late for the TATAs and Mahindras to try to make inroads ? I do not see any reason to pick these new products from inexperienced companies unless there a significant economic advantage (price).
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Isn't it really late for the TATAs and Mahindras to try to make inroads ? I do not see any reason to pick these new products from inexperienced companies unless there a significant economic advantage (price).
Seems you have no information about how Long TATA is into defence industry.

Kindly refrain from calling TATA inexperienced company before having correct information about their product portfolio for Defence industries.

Tata motors is providing strategic solutions and vehicles to Indian Army since 1958.

I would suggest you to go through the defense solutions from TATA which are not only cost effective but also a backbone for developing nation like INDIA

http://www.defencesolutions-tatamotors.com/
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Why make the push with these unique products when tested and tried products can be bought from the west ? Thanks to trigger happy nations like the USA , I think companies like BAE and all other western defense companies have already showcased their products for almost 2 decades.
Do you mean that Indian companies shall stop manufacturing anything that is already being manufactured else where? Not to mention that localisation reduces huge costs and generate employment.

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Isn't it really late for the TATAs and Mahindras to try to make inroads ? I do not see any reason to pick these new products from inexperienced companies unless there a significant economic advantage (price).
As Amit already mentioned, TATA and AL are into defense supplies for decades now. They are as capable as required to fulfill defense requirements.
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Pardon, what i meant is they are inexperienced compared to their western peers.
Also if they are required to meet all needs why do we see Volvos/Tatras/Scanias in the military. Surely such an experienced engineering group could have filled in the void during all this time ?

Also, as a Tata customer who knows their manufacturing quality after several trysts with things like being delivered a brand new car with malfunctioning parts, and blatant display of negligence by handing over a car with malfunctioning cupholders drawer and a clock in the dash with no hands m y skepticism about them remains

And of course I understand localization makes it cheaper - but nobody will pick my tender jumping up and down eagerly just for the sake of my good and my employees !

Also what i meant is Indian firms' wider foray into defense. Not just a certain segment
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Pardon, what i meant is they are inexperienced compared to their western peers.
Also if they are required to meet all needs why do we see Volvos/Tatras/Scanias in the military. Surely such an experienced engineering group could have filled in the void during all this time ?

Also, as a Tata customer who knows their manufacturing quality after several trysts with things like being delivered a brand new car with malfunctioning parts, and blatant display of negligence by handing over a car with malfunctioning cupholders drawer and a clock in the dash with no hands m y skepticism about them remains

And of course I understand localization makes it cheaper - but nobody will pick my tender jumping up and down eagerly just for the sake of my good and my employees !

Also what i meant is Indian firms' wider foray into defense. Not just a certain segment
There are some gaps which TATA has not yet filled and some Gaps which volvos or tatras have not filled.

Even the state road transports have a mix. Tata, Ashok Leyland and Volvos in their fleets.

Dont compare passenger car division with the Commercial division. Your vision is right now limited only to the cars which had quality problems and we all know that.

When it comes to commercial vehicles TATA are a very respected brand accross the globe. They are also the 4th largest truck manufacturer.
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I feel something strange about Army's appetite for Tatras. Given the fact that Tatra makes good off road trucks, it actually doesn't make sense for the Army to buy Tatras and ply them on Tarred roads or even Kutcha roads where any AWD rigid axle trucks can easily ply. A 6x4 of Tata or ALL can easily negotiate the terrains which these Haloed Tatras cover in the Army. As far as a 12x12 missile carrier is concerned, the payload is actually sensitive enough with a high Center of Gravity not to venture into any off roading.

When your requirement is to kill rats and squirrels, better buy an air gun than an AK 47 and rave about its qualities.

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