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Old 20th March 2014, 10:19   #31
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Yes, i do agree they create all kind of traffic problems in road. But its still a most economical transport especially where buses are not connected. You pay around Rs 10, instead of Rs 100 you might be paying if you rent individually.

All it needs to regularization by traffic police by enforcing number of people who can sit in it, and they should stop at designated areas only.

If we encourage cars to be shared to stop pollution, why not Autos.
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All it needs to regularization by traffic police by enforcing number of people who can sit in it, and they should stop at designated areas only.
Most of these share autos in Chennai are owned by cops. I also do support share autos as they are convenient and economical, however I find the piaggio ones scary. TATA magic is a much better proposition.
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however I find the piaggio ones scary. TATA magic is a much better proposition.
The way the Piaggio is driven scares the heart out of me sometimes and moreover being 3 wheels they are not stable with uneven load in that auto it tends to be wriggly.

I find Tata Venture a good proposition too.

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Most of these guys lack road sense.

Government should pass a law which mandates these drivers to go through a road manners/driving course every six months and also stricter licensing procedures. This will impart some road sense.

They need to be educated. Especially the new Tata breed, earlier the Piaggio one used to hog the left most lane due to the lower speed. Now with better engines in the Tata magic, these guys drive like crazy.
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Old 21st March 2014, 17:41   #35
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Going back to Hellmet's point about autorickshaws in Hyderabad not being maintained properly, there are many reasons for that. Some of them have already been explored so I shall not go to those reasons, but I shall go into one of the reasons that has been raised but not fully discussed.

While it is true that a majority of the autorickshaws are hired out to drivers, it is not sufficient to say that the driver does not maintain them properly and therefore they end up looking the way they do. One of the unknown things is that when a driver takes an auto on rent, there is a thorough inspection of how many dents, scratches and broken parts there are on the auto. The inspection is pretty detailed and I am told that the auto driver is usually privy to this inspection and then is made to sign on a paper which puts down all the faults on that particular autorickshaw. When the driver returns the autorickshaw, another inspection is carried out and if any new problems are found (other than the ones that are already there at the time of hiring) depending on the size of damage, the driver has to pay the owner. These owners are the kinds one finds in Indian films and try to squeeze out every paisa out of the auto and the driver. Apparently, though they take the money to repair the damage, the owners never really get to repairing.

So whether it is the body or the engine, the vehicle is simply put back in circulation with the new damages added on to the inventory. The engines which run on LPG emit smoke because of damaged piston rings and also because once the piston rings are not working properly and there is loss of compression, and LPG does not work properly due to the fact that the volumetric efficiency of gas is not as good as that of petrol. So the drivers actually end up putting in petrol, which they are not supposed to do if they are two stroke engines and most autorickshaws in Hyderabad are still two stroke engined ones. This is also the cause for the white smoke that many autos spew. The owners don't ever bother to take care of maintenance because it is cheaper to extract the maximum out of the vehicle and the driver than to go for proper maintenance. Autos that have been so battered and bruised and therefore can no longer run are sold for very little money and someone buys them with the hope that they can be refurbished but in the end discover that there is no way that can be accomplished without making losses initially.

This was narrated to me by the driver of an auto that was unbelievably horrible to look at, sit in and travel. When asked why he was driving the jalopy he told me that he was saddled with it since he made the mistake of buying it and just did not have capital to get into shape. Then there is the added problem of underaged drivers who have the support of some local dada. The staff at the Dabeerpura RTA are threatened by one of the famous dadas there and so oblige by giving licences to those who are not of age. These kids are the ones who drive the autorickshaw as if it were an F1 car and when they damage the auto, the Godfather is there to protect them from the wrath of the owner, who in turn extracts more from another unprotected driver.

Long story and full of terrible realities of our society and the lack of any restraint on exploitation and extortion. I used to think as to why autorickshaw drivers are so universally terrible people to deal with. Look at how they become auto drivers and get their licenses and the mystery clears a little, just a little albeit.
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So whether it is the body or the engine, the vehicle is simply put back in circulation with the new damages added on to the inventory. The engines which run on LPG emit smoke because of damaged piston rings and also because once the piston rings are not working properly and there is loss of compression, and LPG does not work properly due to the fact that the volumetric efficiency of gas is not as good as that of petrol. So the drivers actually end up putting in petrol, which they are not supposed to do if they are two stroke engines and most autorickshaws in Hyderabad are still two stroke engined ones. This is also the cause for the white smoke that many autos spew.
Even though you mentioned that the engine is a 2 stroke, you forgot that LPG is a dry fuel and a 2 Stroke engine needs 2T oil to be mixed with fuel to lubricate the bore-piston.
There is a additional tank which stores oil and injects the oil directly in the intake manifold.
The very reason for white smoke is that these guys add too much oil along with fuel. They are told by mechanics that more oil = more bore-piston life.
You can notice that autos running on petrol spew considerably less oil because with petrol, you can't add to much oil or else the air-fuel mixture goes for a toss.

And one more thing worth mentioning is that our government has banned all 2-stroke two-wheelers above 70cc due to emission reasons but this 145cc autos are exempted.
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Old 21st March 2014, 21:59   #37
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Well, to give a perspective from my end, here is Mumbai and its suburbs, auto's, generally are on the well maintained side.

Though the city has its fair share (maybe even a majority of the total ones) of rented out auto's, you generally see them having working essentials (lights,wipers,comfortable seats..etc), though u might also get to see some really bad examples as well (but i have seen very few of such units)

One thing to factor in, is that in Mumbai and its suburbs, around a year ago it has been made mandatory to have electronic meters and during this, the autos had go through a check from the local RTO's, which i believe may have played a part in ensuring that the auto's here had an acceptable level of maintenence.
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Old 22nd March 2014, 09:36   #38
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And one more thing worth mentioning is that our government has banned all 2-stroke two-wheelers above 70cc due to emission reasons but this 145cc autos are exempted.
The best thing here is that the government has not only banned two stroke engines but also the sale and registration of new autorickshaws in Hyderabad due to the increasing number of autos actually clogging up the roads and leading to traffic snarls. But the dealers and the autorickshaw purchasers have come up with an ingenious idea of beating the problem. Since the city of Hyderabad has grown so much that the surrounding districts such as Ranga Reddy, Medak and Nalgonda have become contiguous with the city and despite that fact what is applicable in these districts as pollution norms are the BS2 norms and the autorickshaws meet the norms with LPG as fuel.

So buyers just register the autorickshaws in the neighbouring districts. This way they beat the ban on new autorickshaw registration in Hyderabad and also the necessity to buy a costlier four stroke engined vehicle. The city loses on two counts; there is no reduction on the number of autos entering the city (since these vehicles that are registered in the neighbouring district actually ply in the city) and these autos are exempted from the concurrent BS pollution norms applicable to the city. So much for good governance. Perhaps it is time that a State Capital Region is declared just as there is a National Capital Region in Delhi and even if the areas under NCR in other states, they still have to follow the rules and regulations of the city of Delhi.

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The best thing here is that the government has not only banned two stroke engines but also the sale and registration of new autorickshaws in Hyderabad due to the increasing number of autos actually clogging up the roads and leading to traffic snarls.
Just like how 7-seaters and Diesel autos are not allowed in the city, autos registered out of city should not be allowed to ply in city.

Instead of banning the sale of new autos, they could have set a maximum age of auto after which it should be scrapped or sold for use outside city.
Suppose there are 1,00,000 autos in city and the roads can't take any more than that and every year say around 5,000 autos have to be retired(max. age rule), then permission for registering only 5,000 new autos must be given.

But I don't see this happening as all the unions will start protesting.
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1) Not maintained in part as many are run by drivers who just run them by shifts with the owner being separate and both look at this as a pure business and neither have a sense of ownership or pride for the vehicle.

2) Hand to mouth existence of many of the driver / driver cum owner rickshaw owners with huge families and many mouths to feed.

3) RTO not taking action and any action being retaliated to by the Unions.

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Nanos should replace the ricks - cheaper to own and run.
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Nanos should replace the ricks - cheaper to own and run.
Agree to some extent but,

Already that poor car is not getting the needed attention and buyers because of a '4-wheel auto' tag it has got due to the Rear engine setup with the silencer pipe dancing on the move and if GOI lifts auto off the road and replaces these with the Tata Nano then god help that car.

Ratan Tata will be the sadest person if it happens.

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Nanos should replace the ricks - cheaper to own and run.
There's already an alternative from Tata - the Magic Iris. They are called 'Auto taxi' in Kerala, and offer a better ride than the 3-wheelers. Not to mention the additional safety because of 4 wheels.
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There's already an alternative from Tata - the Magic Iris. They are called 'Auto taxi' in Kerala, and offer a better ride than the 3-wheelers. Not to mention the additional safety because of 4 wheels.
Tata Venture is a nice option too.

The Iris sits on the same platform as Nano, Right?!

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There's already an alternative from Tata - the Magic Iris. They are called 'Auto taxi' in Kerala, and offer a better ride than the 3-wheelers. Not to mention the additional safety because of 4 wheels.
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Tata Venture is a nice option too.

The Iris sits on the same platform as Nano, Right?!

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Yep but why not the Nano itself? It too is cheaper to buy than a Bajaj Auto and is a proper car. Without a carrier it too can be positioned different from a Taxi as just a 3 seater and the luggage capacity too will be limited so will not compete with the Taxi and can have a fare similar to the Rick.
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Tata Venture is a nice option too.
Venture is positioned like the Omni - it can comfortably seat 6. Moreover, it's pricier than the 3-wheelers, at 4L+

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I guess not. Nano is a monocoque, while Iris is a body-on-frame, AFAIK. It's more like the Ace and Super Ace

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Yep but why not the Nano itself? It too is cheaper to buy than a Bajaj Auto and is a proper car. Without a carrier it too can be positioned different from a Taxi as just a 3 seater and the luggage capacity too will be limited so will not compete with the Taxi and can have a fare similar to the Rick.
Nano is a proper car, designed for personal transport. At 2.5L+ and also a proper ECU controlled petrol motor which cannot be serviced by just about anyone, it won't be a good replacement for the 3-wheelers which sell because of the simplicity in design. Whereas, the Magic Iris sells for maybe 20-30 grands more than a Bajaj RE 3-wheeler, runs on diesel/CNG, and has an IDI engine with lesser electronics, thereby keeping it simple, just like the rickety auto-rickshaws
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