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Old 28th February 2014, 10:44   #46
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Ok so the Volvo bus has a design flaw? And such a basic design flaw that it borders on criminal neglect?
One question then - Shouldn't the homologation process have addressed this? Suddenly today they found some wisemen and experts who were missing for the last 10-15 years?
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Ok so the Volvo bus has a design flaw? And such a basic design flaw that it borders on criminal neglect?
One question then - Shouldn't the homologation process have addressed this? Suddenly today they found some wisemen and experts who were missing for the last 10-15 years?
May be ARAI is answerable as to how Volvo buses were given road worthy certificate to ply on Indian Roads.
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Road-worthy? What roads?

Maybe the super-sleuths at CID meant to say the roads aren't worthy of the vehicles we drive on them? That would be a more accurate deduction from the whole 'investigation'.
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Road-worthy? What roads?

Maybe the super-sleuths at CID meant to say the roads aren't worthy of the vehicles we drive on them? That would be a more accurate deduction from the whole 'investigation'.
You hit the nail. It's actually a disgrace for companies like Volvo, Harley Davidson, BMW, Audi..to launch their products to be driven on pathetic Indian Roads.
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We also need to blame the general public. Just check out some videos in Youtube where people are wooing and cheering when the Volvo drivers break the speed barriers. It's high time that we put some restrictions and proper training in place.
Agree 101% with you on this . I have mentioned this earlier as well on some other thread . You should see some of the comments on forums dedicated to B9Rs and B7Rs , you will come across idiots who actually enjoy their buses being driven in a rash and dangerous manner . There are some who claim to take certain operators only because their drivers drive like racing drivers
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Agree 101% with you on this . I have mentioned this earlier as well on some other thread . You should see some of the comments on forums dedicated to B9Rs and B7Rs , you will come across idiots who actually enjoy their buses being driven in a rash and dangerous manner . There are some who claim to take certain operators only because their drivers drive like racing drivers
When KSRTC operated Volvo buses are fitted with speed governor thereby limiting the top speed to around 95 kmph, why is the govt not doing the same for Volvo buses operated by private operators.

Sometimes consistent driving and not rash driving also helps one in reaching his/her destination on time.
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When KSRTC operated Volvo buses are fitted with speed governor thereby limiting the top speed to around 95 kmph, why is the govt not doing the same for Volvo buses operated by private operators.

Sometimes consistent driving and not rash driving also helps one in reaching his/her destination on time.
There are powerful bus operator lobbies pan-India that prevent any profit-affecting measures from being implemented. And it's not just the transport lobby, everyone blackmails the government into doing what they want.

You would be aware of the recent sand truckers strike. Guess what their #1 demand was? "Immunity from prosecution/fines when caught trucking illegally mined sand". More often than not, the government bends, because these people can bring an entire system to its knees while the hapless ministers watch on (sometimes intentionally so because they have a cut in the profit too).
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You would be aware of the recent sand truckers strike. Guess what their #1 demand was? "Immunity from prosecution/fines when caught trucking illegally mined sand". More often than not, the government bends, because these people can bring an entire system to its knees while the hapless ministers watch on (sometimes intentionally so because they have a cut in the profit too).
This might be a wrong example. Truck strike was because the drivers get prosecuted and not the owners.

You have a point about the lobbies which arm twist the govt to get things work their way. After all candidates are funded by them, so they have to oblige when in power.
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There are powerful bus operator lobbies pan-India that prevent any profit-affecting measures from being implemented. And it's not just the transport lobby, everyone blackmails the government into doing what they want.

You would be aware of the recent sand truckers strike. Guess what their #1 demand was? "Immunity from prosecution/fines when caught trucking illegally mined sand". More often than not, the government bends, because these people can bring an entire system to its knees while the hapless ministers watch on (sometimes intentionally so because they have a cut in the profit too).
I should say this as the ugly side of bureaucracy. It's a well known fact that most of the politicians have some sort of affiliation to the private owners. Hence when it comes to handling them with a firm hand, their hands are tied down. It is this famous bus lobby that prevents railways from introducing new/special trains so that they can fleece the hapless public.
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Whoa... you are in a real vile mood. And you are abusing everyone in sight, negating reports and questioning every logic. I suggest you take a coffee break. And please desist from using the kind of epithets you are using for everyone.
What where you trying to say? When I say morons at Tata and AL, how's that insulting members here. 50 odd years of monopoly and still they where providing truck chasis for bus building. What should they be called?
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This might be a wrong example. Truck strike was because the drivers get prosecuted and not the owners.

You have a point about the lobbies which arm twist the govt to get things work their way. After all candidates are funded by them, so they have to oblige when in power.
Not a like-for-like example, I agree. But my point was more about the influential (usually politico-backed) lobbies rather than particular details.

The bus lobby themselves have used all sorts of tricks over the years (including threats of boycotts, strikes, fare hikes, the works) to get the government to back off whenever it tried (even halfheartedly) to intervene.

Same happened here too. The operators first arm-twisted to govt into granting a generous deadline, and it doesn't seem like the govt is firm on enforcing it anyway. Just an eyewash measure to take the heat off the momentary public rage. Why can't all public transport have its highway speed capped to a reasonable number (90 or 100 kmph), irrespective of inter-state operations? Buses have no business doing triple-digit+ speeds anywhere in our country, good roads or no roads.
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... How many die in our AL/Tata busses daily due to primitive engineering.
The morons at Tata and AL only launched air suspension after volvo, till then they were happy breaking the back bones of rear passengers.
Take a chill pill. And please get your facts right. For the record, AL launched the first air suspension buses in India. I hope you remember those Akbar travels 'airbuses' that used to take "gelff"-bound Malayalees to Bombay, for their flights?

Primitive engineering, or rather, using truck chassis for buses has been done away with. Both the homegrown giants have products that are quite advanced. Maybe not as sophisticated as Volvos or Scanias, but they do a fine job.

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If the body design was approved by ARAI, and more or less the same design has passed the more stringent norms set in the EU et al, I would be inclined to believe that bad road design and reckless driving are the more probable reasons, rather than a design fault from Volvo
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Volvo as a company came to our country to do business at the same time give us a different level of bus travel experience. And in return? They get this.

Accused on their face that their buses are faulty and was the sole reason for the mishaps.

Sad state of affairs.

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Take a chill pill. And please get your facts right. For the record, AL launched the first air suspension buses in India. I hope you remember those Akbar travels 'airbuses' that used to take "gelff"-bound Malayalees to Bombay, for their flights?

Primitive engineering, or rather, using truck chassis for buses has been done away with. Both the homegrown giants have products that are quite advanced. Maybe not as sophisticated as Volvos or Scanias, but they do a fine job.

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If the body design was approved by ARAI, and more or less the same design has passed the more stringent norms set in the EU et al, I would be inclined to believe that bad road design and reckless driving are the more probable reasons, rather than a design fault from Volvo
May be this is a case wherein the product is world class but the infrastructure is not up to the mark.
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And why is no one talking about the electronics that get added to the busses? The lastest busses I took ride in, had speakers and a huge LCD TV, not the ones that are designed for use in automobiles, but a Samsung LCD TV, meant for home usage. Doubt crept up, when the screen blanked out everytime the bus hit a pot-hole. So I checked out the TV when they stopped for a break, and the wiring was pathetically done, totally jugard work. and God knows what are the other electrical and electronic modifications the busses are subject to!
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