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Old 19th August 2015, 11:04   #1
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As part of a $30 million contract with the Indian Railways, South Australia based simulation systems company - Sydac, will deliver its first rail simulator to India. Sydac is an exporter of simulation and engineering modelling technology, specializing in rail simulation.

This simulation technology is said to have a positive impact on India’s rail safety and will improve driver skills, awareness and safety; and will also assist in future design testing. Now, Indian drivers will train using 12 full-cab rail simulators and 60 desk simulators in twelve cities, including Mumbai and Kolkata. These simulator will be handed over in the city of Jodhpur next month.

The company also plans to build training centres across India over the next three years. Sydac is also focusing on various opportunities in India’s commercial vehicle sector, including providing simulators to help train bus and truck drivers.

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I so wish I could sit in one of these myself. All day, every day! This would be so much fun - the simulations look so realistic ! Too bad it costs $30million.
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Good move.
Though I am surprised that Indian Railways woke up to the training aspect so late!
Simulators are absolutely necessary in order to avoid accidents during abnormal situations.

However, let me be a little skeptic. Most of the systems bought by Indian govt ultimately end up as a colossal wastage of taxpayer money.
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ZRTI Bhusaval already has Simulators, they are actually made by using retired locomotive cabs, and fitting LCD screens in place of the windshields.
Secondly Indian railway follows a ALP to LP upgrade system, so a tranee joins as a assistant loco pilot, and then a few years down gradually gets promoted to a Loco Pilot after undergoing and passing the necessary training.
There is no shortcut to this, and working as an assistant under a more experienced Loco pilot is beter than any simulation.

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I so wish I could sit in one of these myself
There is one online flash game called real railway for those interested in becoming loco pilots for a bit!
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This simulation technology is said to have a positive impact on India’s rail safety and will improve driver skills, awareness and safety; and will also assist in future design testing.
A breath of fresh air. From the photos these simulators look as good as the ones used to train/refresh pilots. Even mariners use these simulators to train for difficult situations. Good move.

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Secondly Indian railway follows a ALP to LP upgrade system, so a tranee joins as a assistant loco pilot, and then a few years down gradually gets promoted to a Loco Pilot after undergoing and passing the necessary training.
There is no shortcut to this, and working as an assistant under a more experienced Loco pilot is beter than any simulation.
Rahul, thank you for sharing. This is a sensible and practical thing to do - co-pilot then captain in the air; second officer of the watch then chief officer at sea. Simulators cannot replace this practical hands on training but are a immense aid to breaking-in, refreshers, training for difficult & dangerous situations, etc.
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ZRTI Bhusaval already has Simulators, they are actually made by using retired locomotive cabs, and fitting LCD screens in place of the windshields.
Secondly Indian railway follows a ALP to LP upgrade system, so a tranee joins as a assistant loco pilot, and then a few years down gradually gets promoted to a Loco Pilot after undergoing and passing the necessary training.
There is no shortcut to this, and working as an assistant under a more experienced Loco pilot is beter than any simulation.

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I certainly agree. Is there a case to invest 30m in simulated training ? Are there any issues with the current training model that we have, which appears simple yet effective (KISS) ?
I would prefer this amount to be spent in upgrading security of trains. for example collision avoidance systems, on-board signal sync etc.
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I certainly agree. Is there a case to invest 30m in simulated training ? Are there any issues with the current training model that we have, which appears simple yet effective (KISS) ?
I would prefer this amount to be spent in upgrading security of trains. for example collision avoidance systems, on-board signal sync etc.
Training always helps, and like the cops say its never enough to undergo training.

This will help refresher courses for drivers and could be able to simulate real time environment and issues which could crop up. I do understand the sceptisim that its a waste of money, but i believe the railways is trying to target security too. I believe they are having a multiple pronged strategy to improve the experience as well as finances of the railway so should be dealt in simultaneously rather than one after the other.

Just my two cents. How i wish i had a chance to sit in this and do a trial!

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Simulators are usefull to teach Locopilots about new models of locomotives. Often lines get electrified, at that time, a Senior Diesel loco pilot may have to get trained for electrics, you cannot ask a experienced senior to work as a assistant on a new kind of locomotive during his appraisal period. In this case simulator training and then a few runs supervised by a loco inspector are enough.

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My info was that a ferw years ago they wanted either US or Chinese (VEIC) everywhere. I was at that time involved in the TMRS (Tech Mission for Railway Safety). Aussie was also there but relatively less emphasis. Here there was a single member of the board interested.

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I certainly agree. Is there a case to invest 30m in simulated training ? Are there any issues with the current training model that we have, which appears simple yet effective (KISS) ?
I would prefer this amount to be spent in upgrading security of trains. for example collision avoidance systems, on-board signal sync etc.
That is a pretty harsh comment, especially when one doesn't know the reason and value of simulators. Fully motion simulator is routinely used in the airline industry to train all pilots every 6 months in the correct way to handle a myriad of failures and challenges in a safe environment. Such failures can't be replicated on a regular aircraft carrying passengers.
Likewise it is immature to assume a railway loco pilot can learn on the line, and grow using experience. Unless the loco pilot suffers all the failures, challenges and issues repeatedly, he/she will not learn and may not be effective when the failure does occur on a live engine. A full motion simulator is the correct and safe way to learn procedures and safety handling which can't be performed online.
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ZRTI Bhusaval already has Simulators, they are actually made by using retired locomotive cabs, and fitting LCD screens in place of the windshields.
Secondly Indian railway follows a ALP to LP upgrade system, so a tranee joins as a assistant loco pilot, and then a few years down gradually gets promoted to a Loco Pilot after undergoing and passing the necessary training.
There is no shortcut to this, and working as an assistant under a more experienced Loco pilot is beter than any simulation.

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If I am not mistaken the loco sheds at Hubli and Krishnarajapuram (KJM) also have these simulators operational and these sheds specialise in the WDP/WDG class of locomotives.

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Other locations will also be having simulators, especially Hubli, which is a zonal head quarter. I have seen this one, and so I'm mentioning it.

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Interesting development. As pointed out, various other industries have been using simulators for many years as part of training and education programs. Today, you can even learn to drive a regular car in a full motion simulator.

I have been on various static and full motion flight simulators for my pilots license. I have also been on ships simulators as part of my naval qualifications. Not just the bridge, but also engine room simulations. As I used to work in the offshore as part of the safety certification I also went on helicopter crash simulators. Basicly a full scale replica of a helicopter cabin that gets dumped into a swimming pool, then gets turned upside down and you get trained on how to deal with that situation and manage to get out and back to the surface.

So there is no doubt in my mind of the effectiveness of static and or full scale motion simulators for many different kind of situations.

If you are a train enthusiast and ever find yourself in the Netherlands, you might enjoy visiting the Dutch Railroad museum. Lots of stuff, including a full motion train simulator open to the public!

http://www.spoorwegmuseum.nl/#

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