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Old 22nd July 2017, 17:31   #541
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When playing a flight simulator, I am always stuck during the landing phase. I am almost never able to get the speed and approach angle right, and most landings are horrible.

Even with a Cessna. I guess I shall be a horrible pilot if I become one or the simulator is buggy.
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Old 22nd July 2017, 23:59   #542
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Check this -> Air India plans to launch Boeing 777 flights on Delhi - Chennai sector
It is already there. I came by Air India Boeing 777 ER from Delhi to Chennai a couple of months ago. Started at 6.00 AM from the international terminal and arrival at Chennai too was at the international terminal, from where we were brought by bus to the national terminal.

I guess it arrived Delhi from abroad, and would have left chennai for some overseas destination.
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When playing a flight simulator, I am always stuck during the landing phase. I am almost never able to get the speed and approach angle right, and most landings are horrible.

Even with a Cessna. I guess I shall be a horrible pilot if I become one or the simulator is buggy.

The first thing is to get your yoke properly set up. Very often I have seen that a tiny movement of the joystick creates a big deflection on rudder, ailerons etc. very difficult to control any plane with such a sensitive set up.

Check the calibration and the null settings.

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When playing a flight simulator, I am always stuck during the landing phase. I am almost never able to get the speed and approach angle right, and most landings are horrible.

Even with a Cessna. I guess I shall be a horrible pilot if I become one or the simulator is buggy.
Just to add to my earlier posts. Have a look at these video’s, especially number 10 Landing. This is all done on PSX an outstanding 747-400 PC simulator.

The author is a former BA (training) captain on the 747. He is very active on this forum as he too is a big 747 SIM enthousiast. Even though you might not fly a 747 it gives good insights as to what it takes to make a good landing. You have to make sure you know the speeds and flap settings for the landing, final approach, including how and when to rotate. (unless you fly a plane where you don’t rotate, which are rare)

Note there is a distinct difference between landing a typical commercial liner and a small single engine propellor plane. Obviously they will have different speed settings, fly at different angles etc. But they also require a slightly different landing technique.

The small planes, such as a Cessna, you will need to flare and keep the aircraft just above the runway whilst the speed bleeds off .You are in the so called ground effect, a cushion of air between the aircraft wing and the runway an it will make your plane float along. As the speed bleeds of you actually stall the aircraft so it settles on the runway. Keep the nose up or your propellor will hit the runway.

Here is me landing a Cirrus on Catalina, US. At around 0.43 you will here a buzzer, that is the stall warning.



Larger aircrafts will also encounter the ground effect, but essentially you maintain a steady rate of descent that gets slowed down at the moment of the flare and fly the plane ‘into’ the runway. Speed brakes pop out to dump lift.

I’m not sure how accurate your Flight Simulator simulates ground effect for the various planes. It’s very realistic in PSX.

Enjoy

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Forgot the link to the PSX links in my earlier posts:

http://aerowinx.com/board/index.php?topic=2583.0
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Well you guys can expect a 787 thread once I've spent some time with the baby boeing.
@SearchingHeaven, one noob question:
How does the plane's engine(s) react to moisture ? Planes fly thru rain, and storm, and the intake air will have moisture in it. What happens ? How does the engine handle that ?
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@SearchingHeaven, one noob question:
How does the plane's engine(s) react to moisture ? Planes fly thru rain, and storm, and the intake air will have moisture in it. What happens ? How does the engine handle that ?

Here's a good article explaning it all:

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question...on/q0293.shtml

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It was introduced in 1994,
[*]Filled upto the brim with high technology. Arguably, the first Fly-by-wire aircraft from the Boeing stable.
A small question, wasn't 767 the first Boeing to get Fly-by-wire? Why I ask is, I remember travelling in one in the late 80's ('88 probably) with the Airline Magazine clearly highlighting about Fly-By-Wire.
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A small question, wasn't 767 the first Boeing to get Fly-by-wire? Why I ask is, I remember travelling in one in the late 80's ('88 probably) with the Airline Magazine clearly highlighting about Fly-By-Wire.
767 do not have FBW controls. From various forums, I've read that it has some electrically actuated controls. 777 is the first FBW aircraft from Boeing.
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767 do not have FBW controls. From various forums, I've read that it has some electrically actuated controls. 777 is the first FBW aircraft from Boeing.
Do not Airbuses have FBW for quite some time. So Boeing is playing catch up.
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767 do not have FBW controls. From various forums, I've read that it has some electrically actuated controls. 777 is the first FBW aircraft from Boeing.
I havn't researched forums, will probably do when I get a little more bandwidth.

Forums, I agree, will anyway tell you a lot of things with varying levels left to interpretation!

However, my statement comes from personally reading about "Fly-by-wire" material on the Airline Magazine while flying in their 767 way back circa 1988.
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I havn't researched forums, will probably do when I get a little more bandwidth.

Forums, I agree, will anyway tell you a lot of things with varying levels left to interpretation!

However, my statement comes from personally reading about "Fly-by-wire" material on the Airline Magazine while flying in their 767 way back circa 1988.
Check the forums, its not FBW. The 767 was the first Boeing wide-body to be designed with a two-crew so called digital glass cockpit. Sometimes digital gets interpreted a little too broadly. So it has all the electronic kits such as EFIS, EICAS, EADI, EHSI. But when it comes to its controls it’s all conventional.

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Check the forums, its not FBW. The 767 was the first Boeing wide-body to be designed with a two-crew so called digital glass cockpit. Sometimes digital gets interpreted a little too broadly. So it has all the electronic kits such as EFIS, EICAS, EADI, EHSI. But when it comes to its controls it’s all conventional.

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You are right, especially from the perspective of what FBW later came to be signified as. Especially with the advent of the A320 just a couple of years later wherein you essentially had full controls being electronic. I still remember being escorted to the AI A320 cockpit and being shown the "Joystick!"

However, around 1988, I was all of 12 years old, a perfect age to register things and not forget! (something that I find a huge challenge almost 30 years later)

Refer to this screenshot from Wiki (havn't gone onto the Forums yet - Infact I dont need to anymore after your explanation above)

Boeing 777 - Pilot's Review-capture.png

What I remember is that airline magazine, touting this as Fly-by-wire that would be the base for the future, to have increasing span of flight controls for the future.

Why I had to read and register it, was for gaining peer credibility of having flown in a 767, when my friends then, hadn't.

Interestingly, I also mentioned the A320. It was 1990 and we were fortunate enough to fly in the second flight after the A320 services resumed, after all of these aircrafts, were grounded, following the IC605 incident.

Infact rather than, being fortunate, IA had actually lured us into travelling in it with loads of feel good stuff, because at that stage, not a single passenger would volunteer to travel in the (then) fabulous 320. Vastly improved over everything else flying in the national fleet then. Remember the near-vertical, ground tilting take off and also being escorted to the cockpit to see the beauty (we were only 5 families on board)

I had the fly by wire argument then also! (with the captain)

Sorry for the long post

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Boeing and Airbus always followed different design philosophies. So its not so much Boeing catching up on FBW as having a different approach. The 777 is, sort of, FBW. Also, the 747-800 is FBW. But according to pilots it flies and handles exactly as the 747-400, which has conventional controls. I cant really comment as I really lack the experience and the insights, but apparently Boeing FBW handle as if conventional controls are installed. That is up to the moment you try and do something that is outside the flight envelope and the computer kick in. Airbus FBW appears to have a different feel to the flight controls. Your side stick actually provides a vector input. The plane will just follow. Conventional controls wont, neither Boeing FBW apparently. But would be great to hear from the pro's who fly these things for real.

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Also, the 747-800 is FBW.
No, the 747-8 (and not 747-800) is not FBW. It has Fly-by-wire spoilers and outboard ailerons to save weight. (Reference). This was done to reduce development costs as it was an incremental development from the 747-400. A new control system layout would have been expensive for Boeing.
The only FBW commercial aircrafts from Boeing are the 777 and 787.
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