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Old 30th November 2009, 14:14   #1846
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Superb pics Transsenger. But do you know which model/chassis this is? Does not look like any of the normal ones.
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Had been to Trivandrum last weekend, got to shoot a Volvo closely.

I saw more services, but was not in a position to shoot. Some services were jampacked too.

I spotted this JNT5 with route number 101C at Kowdiar. This is the starting point of this bus which operates to Airport.

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Meanwhile recent media reports (Manorama) suggested that KeSRTC is planning to buy (reintroduce) Double Decker and Vestibule buses. The purchase orders would be placed by 2nd week of Dec09. Since AL is the only manufacturer with these products as of now in india, it is assumed to be AL buses. Launching vestibule buses along Angamaly-Aroor NH47 stretch would be attractive. Anyway lets wait 'n' C.
Those Double Decker and Vestibule buses are meant for Trivandrum city. See the news here. (excuse me, it is only for those who can read Malayalam)

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And yes, it is reintroduction. Double Deckers were there till some 2-3 years back in Trivandrum, it used to do the East Fort-Sasthamangalam route. Infact I do have photos also somewhere. The body was built by 'Alwyn' of Hyderabad on AL chasis.

Regarding vestibule buses, it was 'Trailer' buses, which were in operation perhaps more than 20 years back. I remember seeing it during my child hood days. The bus was based on the 'Tractor-Trailer' concept. It had a head unit, having the shape of an AL tipper, and the trailer consisted of two parts, a short, raised upper level and a normal lower level connected by vestibule. My home in Trivandrum is just by the side of KeSRTC Central Workshop and even now also I can see that old 'head units' being used as 'trucks' inside the complex.

Apart from that we also had 'Road Trains'. It was two buses just connected together, no 'Vestibule' or no movement across the two units. The bus which was behind was driverless. I have only faint memory of travelling in one those buses.

The advantage Trivandrum City has is that KeSRTC has proper infrastructure in place for operation of city services when compared with other cities of Kerala. The city services are handled by Five Bus depots, 'City' (CTY) at East Fort, Pappanamcode (PPD), Vikas Bhavan (VKBN), Peroorkad (PKDA) and Vellanad (VLND). Apart from this mixed city/mofussil depots like 'Kaniyapuram (KPM). And enough parking yards, fuelling stations, garages etc. If they can put some good 'management' also in practice, the public transport system of the city can be improved much with the introduction of JNNURM buses.

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KeSRTC is planning to buy (reintroduce) Double Decker and Vestibule buses. The purchase orders would be placed by 2nd week of Dec09. Since AL is the only manufacturer with these products as of now in india, it is assumed to be AL buses.
Hopefullly the monopoly for AL in this segment will end sometime. Marcopolo got many successful models in Double decker and vestibule buses desinged for city transport. If there is enough demand, i hope Tata-Marcopolo will introduce the same here and read some where there are already plans for vestibule buses from Tata-Marcopolo. With more and more BRTS with dedicated bus lanes across India, it makes sense to bring vestibule buses.
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I may be wrong, but by reading the link posted by Sudheesh, looks like the tender is for 2 DoubleDecker buses and 2 vestibule buses along with other normal buses. May be this is just for trial.
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I may be wrong, but by reading the link posted by Sudheesh, looks like the tender is for 2 DoubleDecker buses and 2 vestibule buses along with other normal buses. May be this is just for trial.
Double Deckers would not be for trial, if your doubt is based on the numbers. Infact running 'Double Deckers' were only a matter of 'nostalgia' or 'pride' for the city and for that two numbers are enough. This was voiced by the public when KSRTC had announced withdrawing/scrapping of the ageing buses last time. Infact that time also there were only two such buses. Before that, the old model had some 10 numbers which were in service about 20-25 years back.

The route is so selected that the bus goes through the 'posh' tree lined avenues of the city, connecting important places/tourist destinations. So the route of East Fort-Sasthamangalam is selected which could be used for people going to Museum Park/Zoo/ Kanakakannu Palace/Observatory hills etc. The distance is about 6 kms only and since the bus is doing a continous up and down services, it would be visible with more probability in the core city areas.

Meanwhile KeSRTC threatens to pull out of the Volvo/Low Floor/JNNURM bus service in Kochi

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The confusion about the introduction of 200 premium and AC buses in Kochi has been confounded further, with the KSRTC threatening to pull out of the project following escalating difference of opinion with the Corporation of Kochi. KSRTC has taken strong objection to the civic body opposing the routes that it had suggested.

“Though the Corporation has to contribute 20 per cent of the cost of purchasing the buses (with the State Government giving 30 per cent and the Jawaharlal Nehru National Urban Renewal Mission the balance 50 per cent), it was unable to do so and hence we obtained a loan for the amount,” said a high-ranking KSRTC official. “Despite not paying a penny for the project and having little technical knowledge about running the service and finalising bus routes, the civic body wants to control the premium-bus service in Kochi. In that case, let them run the project,” he said

The Hindu : Kerala / Kochi News : KSRTC threatens to pull out of premium bus project
One more issue of concern in Kochi is that Central govt will give only 50% funding and the rest has to be arranged by state govt/local body/KeSRTC. On the contrary, being State Capital, Trivandrum gets 80% funding from Centre, which makes things more easier for KeSRTC.

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Double Deckers would not be for trial, if your doubt is based on the numbers. Infact running 'Double Deckers' were only a matter of 'nostalgia' or 'pride' for the city and for that two numbers are enough.
Thanks Sudheeshnairs for the clarification. I did not realize it was just for nostalgia.
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i was in hyd cpl of days back and happen to catch the jnnurm buses apologise for the poor quality pics
also noticed this new NMMT volvos with anew route 123 from Dindhoshi to CBD...they are really aggressive morning there are 2 buses one at the stop opp BEST depot and the other waiting its turn on the stop they are sure to take away BEST passengers as this was a much needed route
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Hopefullly the monopoly for AL in this segment will end sometime. Marcopolo got many successful models in Double decker and vestibule buses desinged for city transport. If there is enough demand, i hope Tata-Marcopolo will introduce the same here and read some where there are already plans for vestibule buses from Tata-Marcopolo. With more and more BRTS with dedicated bus lanes across India, it makes sense to bring vestibule buses.

I may be wrong, but by reading the link posted by Sudheesh, looks like the tender is for 2 DoubleDecker buses and 2 vestibule buses along with other normal buses. May be this is just for trial.
Tata Marcopolo Motors earlier had talks with Hubner,the German supplier for articulated systems early this year. But after which there was no news.Hubner enjoys more than 80% market share in the manufacture and supply of vestibules world wide. As of now its only AL is having Vestibule buses and had gone one step ahead in having low floor at the rear portion of the bus.The concept is ready for production and based upon orders from STU's production can be done.
Wrt double deckers I feel TML will not be much interested as there is very less demand for them and there was no new orders for double decker buses in recent past except from BEST. Even Chennai MTC is running the same old buses in the 18A route between Tambaram - HighCourt. So TML may leave the game to ALL.
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Thanks Sudheeshnairs for the clarification. I did not realize it was just for nostalgia.
There are more to know about Double Deckers of Trivandrum.

Trivandrum was the first city in India to receive Route Master Double Deckers.

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"Double-decker buses came to India as early as 1937, when E.G. Salter, Assistant Operating Superintendent of the London Passenger Transport Board, became the Superintendent of the Travancore State Transport Department and imported some double-deckers for what was then Trivandrum. That same year they began to ply in Mumbai."

The Hindu : National : Routemaster rides into history
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"In 1960, the Government presented 10 double-decker buses of British make to the KSRTC. The buses operated to Peroorkada, Sasthamangalam, Medical College and Shanghumughom.

The buses were a great attraction. The first double-decker was withdrawn in 1988 owing to mechanical problems and non-availability of spare parts. By 1990, all such buses were withdrawn"
I remember seeing those Double Deckers during my School days.

Later in 1990, the KSRTC purchased two new Indian-made double-deckers. -These were the ones from Ashok Leyland and body built up Allwyn. These buses were bigger ones from the earlier model.


The double-deckers were withdrawn in 2006 from the fleet, as the Central Motor Vehicle Rules do not permit plying of stage carriers more than 15 years old.

The Hindu : Kerala / Thiruvananthapuram News : Fate of double-decker buses uncertain

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Double Deckers were a part of the city transport from 1937 till about 2006. As I said it was more of a 'joy ride' rather than a point to point commute. The experience of sitting at the front seat of the upper deck and viewing the city from the open window and wind in the face is inexplicable. Post 1990, I had travelled in the last Double Deckers, getting in from East Fort, travelling up to Sasthamangalam and then again back to East Fort, at the upper deck seat, just for the fun of the ride<img src=.

So it is more of Nostalgia for Trivandrumites. Moreover as kids, when relatives from other places of Kerala come to our city, these buses were a matter of pride and show piece. Good to see KSRTC going to keep the tradition.
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I had been to EXCON last Sunday. It showcased some of the trucks used in earth moving and construction industry.. i came Man, Scania, Tata, AMW and Volvo.

But Ashok Leyland, Tatra, Ural, Mercedes were just missing even though they are in this segment...

One truck that really impressed me is the Tata 3138.K it was just fabulous... a true world class truck.
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Yes, I used to travel the double-deckers as a joy ride when I was a kid in TVM too. The British Leyland double-deckers were great, never travelled in the AL ones. Till 1985 (when I used to work in AL), the special chassis for the double-deckers used to be imported.
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Wrt double deckers I feel TML will not be much interested as there is very less demand for them. So TML may leave the game to ALL.
Agree on this, but I thought the AL double decker buses are built on truck chasis. So in theory anybody could built a double decker body on any truck chasis (Tata/Eicher/Man)
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Till 1985, the special chassis for the double-deckers used to be imported.
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There are more to know about Double Deckers of Trivandrum.
Thanks Sudheeshnairs, Even i travelled in KSRTC double decker buses in TVM. When i first moved to Mumbai, i always used to take the BEST double decker buses, and make it a point to sit on the upper deck. But once i become old, i am a bit scared, especially when they take sharp turns. [I have not heard of any roll over incidents yet, still]
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Till 1985, the special chassis for the double-deckers used to be imported.
Are you sure about this?
Yes, the bare chassis (before assembly) was referred to as "fish-eye" chassis, and the special load-bearing steels used were not available in India at that time. They used to be imported in bulk and stocked in the AL Ennore plant storage yards (I am talking about the year 1984-85)
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Hey Kadri, nice pics there! Wonder why AL isn't there. Afterall they are only a few Kms away at Hosur.

Talking about that, can someone please tell if AL manufactures at 2 locations, Ennore and Hosur? Do they sell so much or what?

And also what does the Hosur plant manufacture? When I do Chennai - Bangalore drives I see this chassis alone vehicles going from Chennai side and wonder why they don't just get it from Hosur.
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Ennore is the first plant of AL and manufactures trucks.
There are 3 plants in Hosur which manufacture almost teh entire range of ALs, including the LCVs, military vehicles and buses.
AL also has plants in Bhandara (MH) and Alwar (RJ). I believe the Alwar plant also has its own bus-body building facility.
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Volvo B9Rs are replacing B7Rs in the Trivandrum-Chennai route.

I saw three B9Rs, Shama, KPN, and SRM one evening at Balaramapuram Town, about 15 km south east of Trivandrum on the Nagercoil-Chennai route.

Got chance to shoot the SRM B9R. It was a KL.01 registered bus. So can be sure that it is operating on Chennai route and not to Bangalore.

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