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Old 9th July 2007, 15:58   #61
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Ot is Noy Payload, Itz is Gross Vehicle weight.. Fully loaded
Leyland too has the same nomenclature.. check the models in the wesbite..
Leyland has started following the Tata practice regarding model designations. They never used numbers to designate their models in the olden days. I think the practice began with Cargo 709.
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But please note that these Tata buses in the Himalayan highlands are short buses - not the normal full-length ones - and may be running the same engines, giving them a lighter payload but a lot more power. Leyland never could come up with a good short bus although they did try with the Cargo passenger vehicles (which incidentally is used to run on the Srinagar (J&K)-Muzafarabad (POK) route nowadays.
STUs have traditionally used short wheelbase versions of the regular buses for the hill routes. This applied to both Tata and Leyland buses. Leyland SWB buses too have been used all these years in Himachal Pradesh and J&K.
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The EX range denotes those models where the chassis is supplied with a fully built driver cab.
That's not correct. EX series is the upper end series of Tata's various CVs, with better features. Originally introduced in HCVs and MCVs, it was extended to LCVs later.

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Shaktiman (4x4) How different does this look from the MAN on MAN's web-site that 110D posted ?
The original MAN truck looked identical to the Indian Shaktiman except that it came fitted with much bigger and broader tyres. Shaktimans were fitted with puny tyres that didn't do justice to the truck's off road character.
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608 engine was the six cylinder version of the 407 engine, with a cubic capacity of about 4.4 litres. Bore and stroke were identical: 97 MM X 100 MM.

4.4 litre engine was too big for an LCV and so 608 failed miserably in the market. It had the load carrying capability of an LCV but the fuel consumption of a MCV!

608 model (together with the engine) was soon phased out and replaced by 609 which was soon designated 709 since Leyland was launching Iveco LCV with the model designated as 709. Tata 609/709 had a 3.8 litre 4 cylinder engine that was derived from the bigger Tata 697 engine (that did duty on Tata's bigger trucks) simply by slicing off two cylinders. Hence the identical bore and stroke figures: 97 MM X 128 MM, compared to 697.

712 EX engine is different from 407 engine. 712 EX's engine is simply the Euro-III compliant version of 709's earlier engine. It is not DICOR but nevertheless uses a new fuel pump and has several other improvements, leading to improved power, torque as well increased intervals between oil changes.

For ensuring Euro-III compliance, the 407 engine also got the same treatment as the 709 engine and in the process its power increased from 70 to 100, besides other improvements.

Thanks Directinjection, that was very nice. But just a thought, that to comply to Euro-III norms alone (as a byproduct) those huge BHP improvements were made (even without going the common rail way). Prior to that were they sleeping or they always had the improvements in mind but never cared to bring it out because there wasn't any norms forcing them to. 70 to 100 bhp is quite a leap.
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Prior to that were they sleeping or they always had the improvements in mind but never cared to bring it out because there wasn't any norms forcing them to.
That's the good thing about these norms.

Originally, 407 only developed 65 PS power. It was turbocharged (like all other non-turbo Tata truck models then) only to meet the Euro-I norms. But the fringe benefit was an increase in power from 65 PS to 70.

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70 to 100 bhp is quite a leap.
Very true! And that too without common rail. I wonder how they did it. Am yet to come across any information on that. Any idea who'd be having inside info?
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Another thing with STU preference for AL rather than TAta may be because AL offer 65 +2 seating capacity compared to TAta 55 +2
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TATRA is made somewhere near Hosur... Some times In a petrol pump I see some TATRA's with Leyland Stallions.. the Stallions seems small next to a TATRA T 815 meantfor the military

And Sometimes at night Seen a hemang Dumper being carried on a tractor Trailer No somewhere

Yeah Got the link

Web Home to Tatra Vectra Motors Limited
Don't forget to check the models.

AMW is in full production last time I heard. Plant is somewhere in Gujrat.

FORCE - MAN.. They are very secretive. Dunno whatz happening at their End.

Hi there both are very strong players & will be out in full production this year.. while AMW have their plant in Bhuj Gujrat this is there website ###AMW### , while the other one have their factory at Pithampur near indore there web site is India's Leading Commercial Vehicle Manufacturer, MAN Force Trucks, MAN Trucks in India. They have a installed capacity of 2000 trucks/month & already have export orders of close to 500 trucks through man channel.

Both these companies are planning to manufacture & sell close to 5000 trucks in current year giving a serious threat to TML & ALL.

along with these other player are mercedes actros & next coming is Mahindra International.


This is the bus which force man are planning to bring in india. they will have a production capacity of nearly 4000 buses per annum.
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Now what about the AL engine specifications. I guess they use a couple of HINO powerplants.
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Another thing with STU preference for AL rather than TAta may be because AL offer 65 +2 seating capacity compared to TAta 55 +2
Tata also introduced one that could matching the AL seating capacity. But seating capacity doesnt seem that much of a concern, looking at the direction bus designs are taking. Sleepers, Sleeper-seater combo's, A/c's ..
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This is the bus which force man are planning to bring in india. they will have a production capacity of nearly 4000 buses per annum.
I believe 3 axle buses that are the norm for intercity coaches in the west are not permitted in India. There is a length restriction apparently. Any idea about that?
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I believe 3 axle buses that are the norm for intercity coaches in the west are not permitted in India. There is a length restriction apparently. Any idea about that?
Isnt it about more the axles, higher the taxes ?
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I thought Defence vehicles were designed in conjunction with VFJ. And similar vehicle can be nomenclatured based on manufacturer but not marketed outside. I have been seeing a lot of Tata 4X4's in the past present and am quite sure will be in the future. Have seen a couple on Spiti valley (very close to Leh).



Yes the other CV makers are hardly having any presence, though I would like to see more of them.

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Been to Leh on a Field Complaint.. All The Vehicles I saw there Was AL stallions & gypsies..

And agian the Indian army page on wikipedia Shows Only AL
Indian Army - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dunno where did the Gypsies went though

Defence vehicles are not designed in conjuction with VFJ.. they give their specifications and we make a model as per their needs.. But of course we provide kits to VFJ so that they can assemble stallions @ jabalpur..
that expalins Some stalions have the logo of VFJ and the badge "made under licence from AL "
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Now what about the AL engine specifications. I guess they use a couple of HINO powerplants.
All available @ Passenger Buses | Automobile Manufacturer | Truck Transport | Imported Military Vehicles | Medium and Heavy Commercial Vehicles
HINO's are there.. Turboed, Electronically controlleed injections,
AL's are there 12L+ displacement,
412 cu.in series, turboed, electronic Injections

WEll Do have a look at the website.. It won't be boring I promise..
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Does anyone have any idea or specifications about the Tata 410 LCV?
The word around drivers is that the 407 Turbo is an utter failure with too much turbo lag, low mileage and not meant for the city.
Is it true??
Directinjection, jomz....any clue??
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