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Old 29th December 2008, 11:02   #916
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dear Transsenger :
The trend is changing.look at buses coming to kochin from highranges and kottayam areas.they are now having TATA cummins one(forgot the number) which is really better ,even KSRTC(kerala) is using them as super fasts.

and Leyland are very much reliable in highranges like idukki district.drivers are so convinced with Leyland's gearbox very much reliable ,superior to TATA's.
another thing is the maintanence needed for TATA buses are high(arguably).
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dear Transsenger :
The trend is changing.look at buses coming to kochin from highranges and kottayam areas.they are now having TATA cummins one(forgot the number) which is really better ,even KSRTC(kerala) is using them as super fasts.
The model used by KSRTC is Tata 1510c. This is badly underpowered, and the bus literally struggles when it is full. The reason KSRTC is switching to TATA is not because the engine is superior, but the chassis is cheaper! KSRTC now purchases on a tender process, wherein the cheapest bidder wins!

The best example is the TATA Globus - the bus is really bad and lacks any kind of 'power' for it to cross ghats!
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nice job.....but considering pickup of Tata & Leyland; based on my driving experience....i would say tata buses have sudden pickup i.e you can change gears faster as the bus catches speed quickly but lacks torque.....whereas leylands have high torque and less speed at lower gears.....u cannot change gears very quickly as the vehicle takes time to acclerate.
In kerala people prefer leyland buses in highrange (hilly) areas....eg. kottyam, idukki, munnar, kumalli etc. and tata in city area like cochin b'cos of faster pickup.
And tata buses with cummins engines are good for hilly areas than those with Tata697 engines....also old leyland engined buses are good for hilly areas than present hino engined buses.

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Those days of TATA having better pick up has gone. The fact TATA had better pickup had nothing to do with the torque or the bhp but the fact that TATA had single clutch gearing as compared to then AL's double clutch gearing.Now a days AL too has single clutch.

And with respect to hily and longer drives AL beats TATA hands down. AL also has the advantage that its engine can be overhauled to look like new as compared to TATA which loses the freshness the moment the engine is overhauled.

You need to drive to see the difference.

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Yesterday I had been to Kalispalyam and Majestic, just checking out the Bus trends. Met a driver who drives for SHARMA travels - excerpts from the conversation.

  • LEYLAND chassis is the best for plains and TATA works best in hilly regions.

I cant believe how a driver could say that. TATA cant match the AL in hily regions.
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And with respect to hily and longer drives AL beats TATA hands down. AL also has the advantage that its engine can be overhauled to look like new as compared to TATA which loses the freshness the moment the engine is overhauled.
I have experienced it first hand.. the TATA just can't match AL when it comes to hilly and long drives!
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TATA is better suited for city stop/start traffic situations I suppose where it can pull out faster off the blocks than AL. For long distance it is always AL which wins.
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ashok leyland got very less operations in west and north india?OTOH ,AL is the main trucks supplier for tamilnaad , kerala and karnataka(except west coast aka mangalore).
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ashok leyland got very less operations in west and north india?OTOH ,AL is the main trucks supplier for tamilnaad , kerala and karnataka(except west coast aka mangalore).
A lot of it is because of the Al network which is skewed towards south. But still mostly all the long distance buses plying in Mumbai - Pune - B'lore are of AL origin, even BEST buses are of AL origin.
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our(kerala) own border mangalore(mangalapuram)- full of TATA trucks!no space for Leyland.all of `em plying between bombay and calicut.
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It looks good but atleast they could have used better HL&TL.The first one has HL &TL lift off rom the first gen Sumo and the second one has the TL of the Victa.
i agree. The styling is miles behind the elegant looking volvos.If only TATA spent a lil more to make these buses look better.
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A lot of it is because of the Al network which is skewed towards south. But still mostly all the long distance buses plying in Mumbai - Pune - B'lore are of AL origin, even BEST buses are of AL origin.

BEST has stopped buying new AL buses in favor of Tata 1610/1510 CNG Buses. The only AL buses BEST has bought in past about 2 years is the Double DEcker BS 3 DIesel Buses .

The MUTP BEST Buses running in Mumbai are the best buses i have travelled for local inter city. They are so smooth and silent and the rear air suspension is also quite good. The are BS3 and Diesel.
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Hi friends...

A new spotting while I was at Bangalore this week....A BMTC non-ac bus with two classes, similar to flights - an economy class at the rear end, and a 'Business Class' at the front with 4 rows of tilt-adjustable seats, akin to interstate buses. There is a partition dividing the two sections and there's a passageway too, conencting the two classes. It goes in the large window-paned, silver colored livery and runs in the 356C route. Attached here are some pics of the interiors

Nice concept, isn't it?

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passageway too, conencting the two classes. It goes in the large window-paned, silver colored livery and runs in the 356C route. Attached here are some pics of the interiors
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Nice concept, isn't it?
Where are the pics?

The concept is good, but the fare is exhorbitant!

The normal seats in the rear charge 1.5 times the normal fare, while the luxury seats charge twice the normal fare.

The "forward" section has 6 seats, in three rows.

The first bus to sport this scheme was in a red livery. Here are my pics of that bus:
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Here are images of Ashok Leyland "Falcon 1616" buses supplied to LAMATA, Lagos City, Nigeria. These are fully built buses (100 Numbers), the bus body built by TVS Irizar, Madurai.

Dear all,
Here are some facts about recent happenings in the bus transport industry;

1.Most of the STU's are experimenting "Semi Low Floor" buses with front engine due to operating economy against "Low Floor" buses. Some of them are:
a. Mumbai BEST MUTP buses - 644 numbers
b. Chennai MTC new city buses - 200 numbers
c. Pune PMT - 200 numbers
d. WBSTC in Kolkotta city - 40 numbers
e. Harayana Transport - 30 numbers
f. Lucknow – (qty. not known)
g. BMTC operating along with Volvo in airport route - 150 numbers.
In all these cases the they use Ashok Leyland “Viking SLF” with front engine BS3 and rear air suspension. These buses are economical to maintain when compared to low floor buses.

2. Chennai MTC has procured 100 numbers of Ashok Leyland “vestibule BS3 buses” for operating in Chennai city.

3. Kerala SRTC is experimenting with Tata LPO1612BS2 buses (6 numbers) as “SuperExpress” with 60 seats, 125Hp Cummins engine, 6 speed Gearbox and body built by KSRTC. They are also operating 19 numbers of Tata LPO1616 Globus in Banglore route. Now 3 new Volvo B7R have been added to this fleet of AC buses. Last year based on the tender system for purchase, they bought 600 Tata (with 697 engines) and 400 Leyland chassis. This year it is 800 Leyland and 200Tata (with Cummins engine).

4. BEST Mumbai, is renovating the fleet of double Decker buses with new ones built on Ashok Leyland “Titan” - BS3 chassis. Also small CNG buses built on Ashok Leyland LYNX chassis (fitted with 4cylinder Hino CNG engine) are being experimented.

5. APSRTC has introduced CNG buses in Vijayawada (94 numbers) all Ashok Leyland “Viking Super CNG”. Reports claim these to be the most fuel efficient buses. They are also experimenting with Leyland’s LUXURA (5 numbers) and recent media reports suggest 5 more are to be add soon.

6. “ibus” displayed by Ashok Leyland at the Auto Expo’08, is being run on trial basis at Chennai & Banglore.

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Arrow New buses in Mangalore - Kasargod route

The Karnataka govt has launched buses from Mangalore to Kasargod route. The buses look better then the normal KSRTC's found around in Mangalore.It certainly looks better then the kerala owned ksrtc bus
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