Go Back   Team-BHP > BHP India > Commercial Vehicles


Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 13th July 2007, 15:46   #91
Senior - BHPian
 
hvkumar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Mumbai
Posts: 7,369
Thanked: 3,354 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jomz View Post
the jap engine in the above example has higher life, more power and is more fuel efficient.I believe itz the japanese Technology which makes the difference.....
Surprisingly, I have only seen old Tata trucks and buses, very few Leylands around - most of them seem to be between 5-8 years old max. Plus, the older Leylands always seem to be panting and sound as though their engines have been derated compared with a Tata which seems to have the same power in Year 7 as on Day 1. Where do all the old Leylands disappear? I heard that their engines fetch a good value in the marine engine market because Leyland is very strong in that engine category - is that a fact?
hvkumar is offline  
Old 13th July 2007, 15:56   #92
BHPian
 
Jomz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Detroit, MI,USA
Posts: 810
Thanked: 289 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by hvkumar View Post
Surprisingly, I have only seen old Tata trucks and buses, very few Leylands around - most of them seem to be between 5-8 years old max. Plus, the older Leylands always seem to be panting and sound as though their engines have been derated compared with a Tata which seems to have the same power in Year 7 as on Day 1. Where do all the old Leylands disappear? I heard that their engines fetch a good value in the marine engine market because Leyland is very strong in that engine category - is that a fact?
Leyland.. because of their stonger chassis' are more prone to be overloaded by their owners... thtz why on highways you can find leyland's panting.. while TATA seems like taking it easy

Race a tata bus aginst a leyland bus.. and you'll know...
Jomz is offline  
Old 13th July 2007, 16:07   #93
Senior - BHPian
 
hvkumar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Mumbai
Posts: 7,369
Thanked: 3,354 Times
Default

When is Leyland's Genext trucks and Luxura buses (Volvo competition) being launched? We have been hearing of them for years and even seeing ad campaigns, but seen none on the road
hvkumar is offline  
Old 13th July 2007, 16:10   #94
Newbie
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Hyderabad
Posts: 14
Thanked: 0 Times
Default

@ Mpower - 3axle busses are not prohibhited as per the law. In fact CMVR states that the maximum length permissible for a 2 axle vehicle is 12m and that for a 3 axle vehicle is 15m. However, most buses require to be rear engined for reasons of NVH and to a smaller extent underbelly luggage capacity! So we see a lot of 3 axle trucks but not any 3 axle rigid-buses!!!
barry is offline  
Old 13th July 2007, 16:19   #95
BHPian
 
Jomz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Detroit, MI,USA
Posts: 810
Thanked: 289 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by hvkumar View Post
When is Leyland's Genext trucks and Luxura buses (Volvo competition) being launched? We have been hearing of them for years and even seeing ad campaigns, but seen none on the road
Next time on the bangalore- Mysore Highway.. look carefully..
Can't find the original article.. but here is an copy..

This was originally reported in TOI bangalore around 4 months back..

My Other Passions
Jomz is offline  
Old 14th July 2007, 18:16   #96
Newbie
 
sanjugun's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: goa
Posts: 14
Thanked: 0 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jomz View Post
Leyland.. because of their stonger chassis' are more prone to be overloaded by their owners... thtz why on highways you can find leyland's panting.. while TATA seems like taking it easy

Race a tata bus aginst a leyland bus.. and you'll know...
actually Tata trucks have more stonger chassis .i have seen 1210 ,1316 trucks carrying more than the double the rated payloads without any trouble.
as for the racing with leyland buses that might because tata vehicles are meant for carrying loads & hence its gearing is biased towards load carrying rather than speed
sanjugun is offline  
Old 14th July 2007, 20:51   #97
Senior - BHPian
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: NH209
Posts: 1,607
Thanked: 700 Times
Default

AL website shows all buses having top speed of 75/95 kmph..also volvo B7R puts it at 103, B7rLE at 121.
specifications - Volvo B7R : Volvo Buses - India

but on highways, they are comfortably much ahead of their top-speeds..
why is that?
ramzsys is offline  
Old 14th July 2007, 23:05   #98
Senior - BHPian
 
hvkumar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Mumbai
Posts: 7,369
Thanked: 3,354 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ramzsys View Post
AL website shows all buses having top speed of 75/95 kmph..also volvo B7R puts it at 103, B7rLE at 121.
specifications - Volvo B7R : Volvo Buses - India

but on highways, they are comfortably much ahead of their top-speeds..
why is that?
I have overtaken Volvos at 120 kmph. But please remember that we all have speedo errors, when my Scorpio is travelling at 120 kmph on the odo, it may be actually only 110 kmph.
hvkumar is offline  
Old 16th July 2007, 13:47   #99
BHPian
 
Jomz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Detroit, MI,USA
Posts: 810
Thanked: 289 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sanjugun View Post
actually Tata trucks have more stonger chassis .i have seen 1210 ,1316 trucks carrying more than the double the rated payloads without any trouble.
as for the racing with leyland buses that might because tata vehicles are meant for carrying loads & hence its gearing is biased towards load carrying rather than speed
you think Leylands, and for that matters Eichers don't carry double the payload without any trouble...

Yeah you've apoint in gearing, AL buses are geared more for speed, than the trucks. Dunno how TATA is.

Speedo errors are quite substantial.. in the variation of speedometer readings. ther factors are down gradient, Tailwind etc.

But a Volvo speedo botoms out @ 120. I dunno who saw a higher speed than 120 on the Volvo.
Jomz is offline  
Old 16th July 2007, 14:17   #100
Senior - BHPian
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Faridabad/Delhi
Posts: 1,594
Thanked: 439 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jomz View Post
Leyland.. because of their stonger chassis' are more prone to be overloaded by their owners... thtz why on highways you can find leyland's panting.. while TATA seems like taking it easy

Race a tata bus aginst a leyland bus.. and you'll know...
Disagree with you there.

That Leyland CVs are heavier and more powerful than Tata CVs was true once upon a time, when Tata mostly sold the 1210 while Leyland mostly sold the Comet and Viking. 1210 had a 4.7 litre engine whereas the AL products came fitted with a 6.4 litre engine; hence other aggregates like gearbox, axle, differential had to be heavier correspondingly.

These days, in terms of both power and payload, there isn't much to distinguish Leyland from Tata.
directinjection is offline  
Old 17th July 2007, 19:41   #101
BANNED
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: chennai
Posts: 703
Thanked: 54 Times
Default

tata chaisis are stronger than leyland . Leyland had a lot of chaisis cracks in the 90's . Tata vehicles have only half cut steerings wheras leylands have full cuts.this helps inside small towns ,
Tata engines are more silent whereas leyland exhausts are much throatier ,and this throatiness makes it feel as if leyland bus is much faster ,but in effect Tata is much faster especially with a full payload .

Leyland spares are cheaper ,but do not last that long ,tata spares are compartively much better .
greatmana2000 is offline  
Old 17th July 2007, 19:54   #102
Senior - BHPian
 
1100D's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Calcutta
Posts: 4,179
Thanked: 2,358 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by greatmana2000 View Post
tata chaisis are stronger than leyland . Leyland had a lot of chaisis cracks in the 90's .
Is there any specific reason for this? Like difference in metal gauge or more reinforcements on the ladder.
1100D is offline  
Old 17th July 2007, 21:05   #103
BHPian
 
streetlife's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: New Delhi, India
Posts: 216
Thanked: 11 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by greatmana2000 View Post
but in effect Tata is much faster especially with a full payload .

Leyland spares are cheaper ,but do not last that long ,tata spares are compartively much better .
I would like to differ as i have observed that fully loaded or overloaded, Leyland is faster than tata any day. But the top speed for Tata is a mere 2kmph faster than the leyland as on the manual. Hope no one tries that.

Leyland spares are pricier than tatas and lasts too. Its just Leyland Vehicles dont like local/duplicate spares and breaks it in no time. whereas Tatas accept local/duplicate spares...
streetlife is offline  
Old 18th July 2007, 10:09   #104
Senior - BHPian
 
nitrous's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: UAE/Lon/Madras
Posts: 6,966
Thanked: 282 Times
Default

This thread is becoming a "coffee-toffee" discussion.
Tata is Tata and Leyland is Leyland. Lets leave it at that.
nitrous is offline  
Old 18th July 2007, 16:28   #105
BHPian
 
streetlife's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: New Delhi, India
Posts: 216
Thanked: 11 Times
Default

You started the discussion buddy...
streetlife is offline  
Closed Thread


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
SCOOP : Nissan Commercial Vehicle spotted testing EDIT : Now as Ashok Leyland trammway Commercial Vehicles 40 31st May 2013 11:15
Heavy Commercial Vehicle Sales slowing down. Recessionary Trend? anjan_c2007 Commercial Vehicles 6 7th March 2013 16:20
Volvo-Eicher JV to plan new commercial vehicle portfolio DukeNukem Commercial Vehicles 1 16th September 2012 07:29
The Light and Small Commercial Vehicle Thread kadri007 Commercial Vehicles 136 20th April 2012 09:21
Commercial vehicle dealerships! raj_5004 Commercial Vehicles 1 9th April 2010 17:45


All times are GMT +5.5. The time now is 15:05.

Copyright 2000 - 2017, Team-BHP.com
Proudly powered by E2E Networks