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Old 24th June 2009, 13:59   #1291
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i feel leyland is a sucess because of the gearbox .. steering and clutch ...

i have owned both ley and tata .. but the fact is

1. ley has a better turning raidus .. tata is half steering .
2. ley has full air brakes .. many models of tata still have oil with air brake .
3. except for the first gear ( actually 2nd ) you dont need to depress the clutch in ley .. but in Tata you have to depress clutch .

4 . ley has a throaty growl .. like by tour operators .. tata feels more like a car .
5 .Suspension is much much better in ley due to lengthier leafs ( weveller suspension ) in ley .
6 . Hino until recently was not an acceptable engine .. because of difficulty in servicing .. but ultimately Hino is the only series of engine avaliable as fuel economy and longer service life rule the day . Tata on the other hand with the adoption of cummins has failed miserably in the mileage dept .
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They are an AL shop and reluctant to try anything different.
they are the cheapest among the lot compared to APSRTC, KSRTC (both KL and KA). And they keep their timings.
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they are the cheapest among the lot compared to APSRTC, KSRTC (both KL and KA). And they keep their timings.
Let us remember that STUs are meant primarily for the poor man - that means buses with cheapest capex costs and lowest fares. The Volvos and Mercs do not simply fit that requirement and are targetted at higher-end passengers. For the price of 1 Volvo, you can buy maybe 3-4 ordinary buses and run them more economically.

The transport corporations in TN have been rated the best in the country, commended by bodies such as the World Bank, for their sheer efficiency, connectivity and reach for the common man. I hope they remain that way, and not change over to pander to the rich who have multiple options to travel. Start rating STUs for their abilities to offer the lowest fares without compromising on quality of service (which is not just luxury seating and comfortable travel between cities, but reach to the remotest village hamlets). In that respect, TN bus services are unparalleled. And this is the only State where competition between STU and private buses is intense and on even terms.
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I would say SETC is a no hype operator unlike the ksrtc .. you get wat u pay for ..

With TN corporations the fare from chennai to blore is 120 minimum where as the Ksrtc charges 250 for a non -a/c bus .

With better roads and better equipment , I think AL makes more sense for transport corporations rather than merc or volvo ..

and yes .. the tamil nadu buses maintain their timings .. they average 50km/hr minimum .

The merc in the pics are pathetic .. I was thinking we would be able to get some kind of SETRA quality .. but seems we have got a sutlej with a powerful chaisis .
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Palakkad-Coimbatore(51kms) Sector is served by KSRTC and TNSTC(CBE).The Speed the Fast Passenger of KSRTC does this route is much better compared to TN Buses.The thing is ,TN Buses crawls at a constant speed unlike KSRTC.
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Palakkad-Coimbatore(51kms) Sector is served by KSRTC and TNSTC(CBE).The Speed the Fast Passenger of KSRTC does this route is much better compared to TN Buses.The thing is ,TN Buses crawls at a constant speed unlike KSRTC.
That is also because the TN buses stop at all the small town bus stops in the TN side and the KSRTC buses generally whiz through without stopping! IN any case, this is a congested corridor and one can't blame the TNSTC guy for being slow and stopping to pick up passengers in what is a 40-km 1/1.5 hour shuttle/commuter bus ride.
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Let us remember that STUs are meant primarily for the poor man -

"...is not just luxury seating and comfortable travel between cities, but reach to the remotest village hamlets). In that respect, TN bus services are unparalleled
Agree on that point. And appreciate it that the public transport in TN has been one of the best in terms of reach, availability etc!!
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I would say SETC is a no hype operator unlike the ksrtc .. you get wat u pay for ..

With TN corporations the fare from chennai to blore is 120 minimum where as the Ksrtc charges 250 for a non -a/c bus .

With better roads and better equipment , I think AL makes more sense for transport corporations rather than merc or volvo ..

and yes .. the tamil nadu buses maintain their timings .. they average 50km/hr minimum .

The merc in the pics are pathetic .. I was thinking we would be able to get some kind of SETRA quality .. but seems we have got a sutlej with a powerful chaisis .
KSRTC is a hype operator between main towns & cities. My home town is Pavagada in Tumkur district of Karnataka. There are more APSRTC buses operating between Pavagada & Ananthapur/Penukonda than KSRTC.
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Lot of times the manufacturer is one who initiates this, not the corporation. They provide the bus and train the drivers. They will take the bus back after a while for analysis. It does not mean, they will eventually buy it. This arrangement is mutually beneficial, the manufacturer gets free long term testing, where as the corporation get a chance to try out the latest product and collect customer feedback. Since KaSRTC and APSRTC are some of the big SRTCs in india, all manufacturers will be interested in trial runs with them.

Latest heard is KSRTC is offering free trips in a Merc for two months and only then they will think about the pricing !!! Thats shocking news
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KSRTC is a hype operator between main towns & cities.
Exactly, outside a few hubs like Bangalore, Hubli, both the frequency and quality of bus services leaves much to be desired. Same situation in Maharashtra, where UV operators run the public transport services because bus services are virtually non-existent. I am sure most of these UVs are owned/ funded by local politicians and it is in their interest to keep buses off the road as much as possible.

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KSRTC is offering free trips in a Merc for two months and only then they will think about the pricing
And this is with our tax money! Even after charging higher rates, these buses do not break even.
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Let us remember that STUs are meant primarily for the poor man - that means buses with cheapest capex costs and lowest fares.
Not necessarily. It can be for poor as well as middle class people. They can have a regular service for the junta and a deluxe service with Volvos (higher priced) for the middle class.

At the moment the KSTRC Volvos are beating the private operators in service quality.

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Lot of times the manufacturer is one who initiates this, not the corporation. They provide the bus and train the drivers. They will take the bus back after a while for analysis. It does not mean, they will eventually buy it.
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Latest heard is KSRTC is offering free trips in a Merc for two months and only then they will think about the pricing !!! Thats shocking news
But is that the case here. The news brief mentions that the sale price to be 65 lakhs.
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Latest heard is KSRTC is offering free trips in a Merc for two months and only then they will think about the pricing !!! Thats shocking news
Absolutely not. I am sure KSRTC wouldn't be able to control the crowd if they offered it for free. I remember reading in some news paper that they would charge Airavat fares for now, and would decide on the pricing at the end of trials.

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And this is with our tax money! Even after charging higher rates, these buses do not break even.
KSRTC (any road transport corporation, for that matter) are independent bodies set up by the government. Karnataka SRTC is making profits year-on-year, and where is the question of it running on "our tax money" then?

The Volvo services are surely paying for themselves, without which state operators wouldn't introduce more of them. Almost all state operators are now using volvo buses, and if these services don't break even, why do you think more corporations are jumping into the fray?

Tamil Nadu STC/SETC are the only corporations not operating Volvo buses. Their so-called "cheaper AC service" bombed big time on most routes, and a majority of those buses have been withdrawn from most routes. Passengers are flocking to "omni buses" on many routes in TN - even on routes where SETC services exist - solely due to pathetic service quality.
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Latest heard is KSRTC is offering free trips in a Merc for two months and only then they will think about the pricing !!! Thats shocking news
May be because they may not be planning to buy it. Do you think KaSRTC (or BMTC) will do any thing that will affect Volvo. Volvo need KaSRTC/BMTC support to survive the competition from the Merc and other upcoming luxury brands.
Let us see.
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Karnataka SRTC is making profits year-on-year, and where is the question of it running on "our tax money" then?
Is this your opinion or is this a fact? Plz name the source of your info.

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The Volvo services are surely paying for themselves, without which state operators wouldn't introduce more of them.
Again, this seems hard to believe. Is this your opinion or is this a fact? Plz name the source of your info.

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Almost all state operators are now using volvo buses, and if these services don't break even, why do you think more corporations are jumping into the fray?
How naive! For decades there have been *other* considerations in Indian SRTCs in procuring buses, such as kickbacks, etc. And one doesnt need to be a rocket scientist to figure out that kickbacks are larger when the price of the product involved is larger.
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@vharihar:
KSRTC makes Rs. 52-crore profit
The Hindu : Karnataka News : KSRTC makes Rs. 52-crore profit
Then I saw ,
http://bangalore.praja.in/blog/murali772/2009/02/26/ksrtc’s-profits-are-all-blown-cag
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