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Old 25th June 2009, 06:57   #1306
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How naive! For decades there have been *other* considerations in Indian SRTCs in procuring buses, such as kickbacks, etc. And one doesnt need to be a rocket scientist to figure out that kickbacks are larger when the price of the product involved is larger.
Also these corporations dont want to left behind. For example KerRTC is buying Volvos for Trivandrum city. Do they really need it, absolutely not. They just try to follow KaRTC's foot steps.
Every one knows KerRTC is loss making. Recently CAG found irregularities with KerRTC tender process.
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KSRTC (any road transport corporation, for that matter) are independent bodies set up by the government. Karnataka SRTC is making profits year-on-year, and where is the question of it running on "our tax money" then?
Maybe you should also read this:

The Hindu : Karnataka / Bangalore News : KSRTC loses its way, APSRTC makes profit

KSRTC loses its way

BANGALORE: Despite splitting the Karnataka State Road Transport Corporation (KSRTC) into four for operational efficiency, two of them are still incurring losses whereas its counterparts in Andhra Pradesh and Maharashtra have been profitable despite remaining single entities.

APSRTC, the world’s largest road transport company with 21,000 buses in its fleet, is performing well since 2006-07 earning a profit of Rs. 40 crore that year and Rs. 135.67 crore in 2007-08. Maharashtra SRTC with 16,000 buses earned a profit of Rs. 23.36 crore in 2006-07 and Rs. 158.04 crore in 2007-08.

Losses
On the other hand, two of the four RTCs in Karnataka – North West KRTC and North East KRTC — are still in the red registering a loss of Rs. 67.06 crore and Rs. 15.96 crore in 2007-08. KSRTC and the Bangalore Metropolitan Transport Corporation (BMTC) earned a profit of Rs. 40.54 crore and Rs. 140.23 crore during the year.

APSRTC vice-chairman and managing director V. Dinesh Reddy told The Hindu that the corporation expected to earn a profit of Rs. 120 crore in 2008-09 without having increased the fares when the diesel price skyrocketed in September 2008. Mr. Reddy said the focus on rural connectivity by deploying more high-quality buses, named Pallevelugu (meaning rural light) offered the desired results.

Because of the increased frequency and nice exteriors and interiors of Pallevelugu, the load factor in these buses touched 80 per cent from 75 per cent. Besides, APSRTC introduced high quality buses on inter-city and intra-city routes.

MSRTC vice-chairman and managing director Om Prakash Gupta said drastic changes in operational pattern and a complete changeover of the design of buses helped his corporation come out of the red.

While 216 crore passengers travelled in his buses in 2006-07, 225 crore travelled the next year and this year the figures would reach 235 crore, Mr. Gupta said attributing the increased load factor for the improved financial performance. Fares were not substantially increased during these years, he said.

Size matters
Mr. Dinesh Reddy said remaining as the single entity helped APSRTC grow stronger. Having multiple corporations would only add to the costs of establishment and administration, he said.

Trade unions had been opposing the division of KSRTC. Recently, the Karnataka High Court too had set aside division of KSRTC saying it was against the Road Transport Corporation Act, which was under appeal by the Government.

KSRTC Staff and Workers’ Federation general secretary H.V. Ananthasubba Rao told The Hindu that the action was against the RTC Act. KSRTC was formed with one-third equity from the Centre and without Parliament approval the corporation could not have been divided.


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Almost all state operators are now using volvo buses, and if these services don't break even, why do you think more corporations are jumping into the fray?

How naive! For decades there have been *other* considerations in Indian SRTCs in procuring buses, such as kickbacks, etc. And one doesnt need to be a rocket scientist to figure out that kickbacks are larger when the price of the product involved is larger.
Many years ago, I heard about these stories about a STU from a supplier:
Every bus chassis that is procured by an unnamed STU (no prizes for guessing who I am talking about), the component suppliers have to pay kickbacks to the State Transport minister so that the STU insists that those components are used. e.g. tyres, batteries, etc. which are all bought-out components for the bus chassis manufacturer.
Another racket that is rampant, I am told, is that of fitting brand-new engines in buses that are scrapped so that the scrapped buses are picked up at a pittance for the value of the engine.


I think the message here is load factors - the key to profits is to run schedules optimally and see to it that the buses go full, and not just buy fancy buses without bothering about remote area connectivity which is a primary mandate for a govt-run bus company

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Maybe you should also read this:

The Hindu : Karnataka / Bangalore News : KSRTC loses its way, APSRTC makes profit

KSRTC loses its way

BANGALORE: Despite splitting the Karnataka State Road Transport Corporation (KSRTC) into four for operational efficiency, two of them are still incurring losses whereas its counterparts in Andhra Pradesh and Maharashtra have been profitable despite remaining single entities.

APSRTC, the world’s largest road transport company with 21,000 buses in its fleet, is performing well since 2006-07 earning a profit of Rs. 40 crore that year and Rs. 135.67 crore in 2007-08. Maharashtra SRTC with 16,000 buses earned a profit of Rs. 23.36 crore in 2006-07 and Rs. 158.04 crore in 2007-08.

Losses
On the other hand, two of the four RTCs in Karnataka – North West KRTC and North East KRTC — are still in the red registering a loss of Rs. 67.06 crore and Rs. 15.96 crore in 2007-08. KSRTC and the Bangalore Metropolitan Transport Corporation (BMTC) earned a profit of Rs. 40.54 crore and Rs. 140.23 crore during the year.

APSRTC vice-chairman and managing director V. Dinesh Reddy told The Hindu that the corporation expected to earn a profit of Rs. 120 crore in 2008-09 without having increased the fares when the diesel price skyrocketed in September 2008. Mr. Reddy said the focus on rural connectivity by deploying more high-quality buses, named Pallevelugu (meaning rural light) offered the desired results.

Because of the increased frequency and nice exteriors and interiors of Pallevelugu, the load factor in these buses touched 80 per cent from 75 per cent. Besides, APSRTC introduced high quality buses on inter-city and intra-city routes.

MSRTC vice-chairman and managing director Om Prakash Gupta said drastic changes in operational pattern and a complete changeover of the design of buses helped his corporation come out of the red.

While 216 crore passengers travelled in his buses in 2006-07, 225 crore travelled the next year and this year the figures would reach 235 crore, Mr. Gupta said attributing the increased load factor for the improved financial performance. Fares were not substantially increased during these years, he said.

Size matters
Mr. Dinesh Reddy said remaining as the single entity helped APSRTC grow stronger. Having multiple corporations would only add to the costs of establishment and administration, he said.

Trade unions had been opposing the division of KSRTC. Recently, the Karnataka High Court too had set aside division of KSRTC saying it was against the Road Transport Corporation Act, which was under appeal by the Government.

KSRTC Staff and Workers’ Federation general secretary H.V. Ananthasubba Rao told The Hindu that the action was against the RTC Act. KSRTC was formed with one-third equity from the Centre and without Parliament approval the corporation could not have been divided.




Many years ago, I heard about these stories about a STU from a supplier:
Every bus chassis that is procured by an unnamed STU (no prizes for guessing who I am talking about), the component suppliers have to pay kickbacks to the State Transport minister so that the STU insists that those components are used. e.g. tyres, batteries, etc. which are all bought-out components for the bus chassis manufacturer.
Another racket that is rampant, I am told, is that of fitting brand-new engines in buses that are scrapped so that the scrapped buses are picked up at a pittance for the value of the engine.


I think the message here is load factors - the key to profits is to run schedules optimally and see to it that the buses go full, and not just buy fancy buses without bothering about remote area connectivity which is a primary mandate for a govt-run bus company
Agree wholeheartedly... There is some stink in that entire "success story". Its still a mystery how its so successful!
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Maybe you should also read this:

The Hindu : Karnataka / Bangalore News : KSRTC loses its way, APSRTC makes profit

KSRTC loses its way

BANGALORE: Despite splitting the Karnataka State Road Transport Corporation (KSRTC) into four for operational efficiency, two of them are still incurring losses whereas its counterparts in Andhra Pradesh and Maharashtra have been profitable despite remaining single entities.

APSRTC, the world’s largest road transport company with 21,000 buses in its fleet, is performing well since 2006-07 earning a profit of Rs. 40 crore that year and Rs. 135.67 crore in 2007-08. Maharashtra SRTC with 16,000 buses earned a profit of Rs. 23.36 crore in 2006-07 and Rs. 158.04 crore in 2007-08.

Losses
On the other hand, two of the four RTCs in Karnataka – North West KRTC and North East KRTC — are still in the red registering a loss of Rs. 67.06 crore and Rs. 15.96 crore in 2007-08. KSRTC and the Bangalore Metropolitan Transport Corporation (BMTC) earned a profit of Rs. 40.54 crore and Rs. 140.23 crore during the year.

APSRTC vice-chairman and managing director V. Dinesh Reddy told The Hindu that the corporation expected to earn a profit of Rs. 120 crore in 2008-09 without having increased the fares when the diesel price skyrocketed in September 2008. Mr. Reddy said the focus on rural connectivity by deploying more high-quality buses, named Pallevelugu (meaning rural light) offered the desired results.

Because of the increased frequency and nice exteriors and interiors of Pallevelugu, the load factor in these buses touched 80 per cent from 75 per cent. Besides, APSRTC introduced high quality buses on inter-city and intra-city routes.

MSRTC vice-chairman and managing director Om Prakash Gupta said drastic changes in operational pattern and a complete changeover of the design of buses helped his corporation come out of the red.

While 216 crore passengers travelled in his buses in 2006-07, 225 crore travelled the next year and this year the figures would reach 235 crore, Mr. Gupta said attributing the increased load factor for the improved financial performance. Fares were not substantially increased during these years, he said.

Size matters
Mr. Dinesh Reddy said remaining as the single entity helped APSRTC grow stronger. Having multiple corporations would only add to the costs of establishment and administration, he said.

Trade unions had been opposing the division of KSRTC. Recently, the Karnataka High Court too had set aside division of KSRTC saying it was against the Road Transport Corporation Act, which was under appeal by the Government.

KSRTC Staff and Workers’ Federation general secretary H.V. Ananthasubba Rao told The Hindu that the action was against the RTC Act. KSRTC was formed with one-third equity from the Centre and without Parliament approval the corporation could not have been divided.




Many years ago, I heard about these stories about a STU from a supplier:
Every bus chassis that is procured by an unnamed STU (no prizes for guessing who I am talking about), the component suppliers have to pay kickbacks to the State Transport minister so that the STU insists that those components are used. e.g. tyres, batteries, etc. which are all bought-out components for the bus chassis manufacturer.
Another racket that is rampant, I am told, is that of fitting brand-new engines in buses that are scrapped so that the scrapped buses are picked up at a pittance for the value of the engine.


I think the message here is load factors - the key to profits is to run schedules optimally and see to it that the buses go full, and not just buy fancy buses without bothering about remote area connectivity which is a primary mandate for a govt-run bus company
I remember Haryana Roadways having turned profitable by increasing load factor achieved through customer satisfaction training and incentivisation of staff
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long back in early 90s Laxmi motors used Leyland Back engine cruisers for the Mumbai Goa route....those were white in color they had 2 buses white in color...also Neel Tej had similar leyland cruisers .... Kondouskar i dont remember if they had couple of them which were parked near by the somaiyya medical college...my college was next to the highway near the RCF priya darshini building and hence had a gala time looking at all buses that were launched and were on the run...Unique coached had the Neo Plan back engine and a leyland AC Air suspension front engine
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@ santoshnair,
You are talking a perfect thing, Laxmi Motors used Leyland Back Engine Cruisers for their Mumbai-Goa route. Their office is opposite to my building in Dadar.
The main advantage of these buses is that due to height provided, so that light of opposing vehicle doesn't falls directly in the passenger's eye; their used to have more space for carrying luggage & couriers.
I think that both these buses are Goa registered, non a/c but well comfortable. Body building work is done by Sutlej.
Both the buses used to have Jesus Cross at the back & big OM on the front grill.
Mixing the traditions of Hindus & Christians !!!
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Spotted this massive machine on my way to Jaisalmer. Does anyone know what exactly it is ?
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Wow. That machine looks monstrous!! Look at those Tires!
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A Real Monster !!!
Awesome but dangerous, see the tires looking like a monster truck's tires.
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Is it international, they make such monsters.
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Have been seeing a Tatra multi-axle truck (tractor portion only), with a board displaying "ON TEST", along Outer Ring Road, since almost a week. It's quite huge and maybe that's why they did not trouble themselves camouflaging it, hehe. It must be meant for defense applications, going by the looks of it. Will try taking a picture on my next spotting.
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long back in early 90s Laxmi motors used Leyland Back engine cruisers for the Mumbai Goa route....those were white in color they had 2 buses white in color...also Neel Tej had similar leyland cruisers .... Kondouskar i dont remember if they had couple of them which were parked near by the somaiyya medical college...my college was next to the highway near the RCF priya darshini building and hence had a gala time looking at all buses that were launched and were on the run...Unique coached had the Neo Plan back engine and a leyland AC Air suspension front engine
Check out post#1100 in this thread by Trassenger titled "Father of Indian Luxury Buses"
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The base chassis is a Kenworth it seems.
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Spotted this massive machine on my way to Jaisalmer. Does anyone know what exactly it is ?
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The truck belongs to BJ Services Company. they work for Oil & Gas companies. The company logo is on the truck

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