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Old 13th January 2011, 08:40   #241
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I think in times to come, the STCs in favour of becoming better corporations will be tendering out the whole maintainance process and also not bother with building their own buses, but prefer to leave it to the specialist bus builders, who would be building thousands of buses a year allowing for high standardisation and lower costs.

Thus Leyland should quickly move towards building buses in-house, to increase their own revenue.

There are already examples, TML has already tied up with DTC to maintain the whole fleet of buses that it is supplying to DTC.
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There are already examples, TML has already tied up with DTC to maintain the whole fleet of buses that it is supplying to DTC.
Thats a part of tender from DTC.
Even ALL has the order(AMC) to maintain its fleet for 12 years
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Ok, didnt know that, but still as you see, it is these kinds of contracts that will dominate in the future.

And even the private players will prefer less hassle of building a bus to the minutest of details. Only the bigger bus builders will survive, those who will also standardise and have decent volumes to compete with the full manufacturers.
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And even the private players will prefer less hassle of building a bus to the minutest of details. Only the bigger bus builders will survive, those who will also standardise and have decent volumes to compete with the full manufacturers.
More to come. Bus body Norms. This is still kept on hold.
When this comes to effect there will be a sea of change.
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More to come. Bus body Norms. This is still kept on hold.
When this comes to effect there will be a sea of change.
And that will be for good, IMHO.

Right now, lack of standards means teh vehicles are not conforming to norms. I can assure you that more than 95% of the private bus fleet in Cochin city do not conform to norms at least in respect of seat layout. I hope that more than just mere norms, some kind of centralisation of body building or moving to organized building hops will be a move for the better.
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There should also be some basic crash norms for CVs too, considering the number of bus accidents.
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I hope we were speaking about heavy buses.
More over any details about significant numbers of LPO 1616 from STU's other than KeSRTC.( I also understand even there, no repeat orders)

Are you sure in this part.
So there is no EDC and controlled only mechanically?
I may not be able to give any exact numbers, but if we look at the numbers of HCV Starbus (both FE & RE) & Globus there is surely considerable numbers. Before JnNURM, cities like Indore had lots of them in city operations. Again just look at the numbers of TML Starbus at various airports Delhi, Mumbai or Chennai! Even private operaters like Raj National Express went for 150 Tata Globus. KeSRTC, MSRTC, NTC etc have been using Globus. Both starbus & globus was part of TML entry with "fully built bus range". They have surely made an impact. Now they are doing the same with Marcopolo.

TML currently supplies buses with both 697 & Cummins engine. The BS3 version of T697 engine is EDC type. But the BS3 Cummins B series engine 130Hp & 180 Hp are having Rotary FIP & four valve per cylinder and no EDC for sure. The EDC version of cummins B series is known as "IsBE - Integrated system - Bseries electronic". As on date this engine is not offered in any Tata models of regular buses. And the first one to come with it will be Tata Hispano Divo 1628HD.
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And the first one to come with it will be Tata Hispano Divo 1628HD.
george_kj mentioned in his post 1628 is already available. Have any one seen it? How is it different from current Hispano, other than the engine config
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@Transsenger

As for the rotary FIP and 4 valve per cylinder, they were always there on all 6BT engines. But I think ECUs were introduced to help control emissions to meet the BSIII channels on both the 697 and 6BT. Dont know if this was not the case with buses, but the BSIII truck engines are all ECU equipped now, though not as advanced as that the ISBe comes with. This is a specific India model, not the standard ISBe from Cummins, as this 5.9L B-series is no longer a latest model from Cummins who have enlarged it to about 6.7L I think.

As george_kj mentioned a serious increase in price of about 10lakh plus, I am hoping that it is not just a change in the powertrain.
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TML currently supplies buses with both 697 & Cummins engine. The BS3 version of T697 engine is EDC type. But the BS3 Cummins B series engine 130Hp & 180 Hp are having Rotary FIP & four valve per cylinder and no EDC for sure. The EDC version of cummins B series is known as "IsBE - Integrated system - Bseries electronic". As on date this engine is not offered in any Tata models of regular buses. And the first one to come with it will be Tata Hispano Divo 1628HD.
Sorry, a small correction here. The first model from TML to feature the IsBE cummins engine(CRDi) in buses, is Marcopolo 1624 RE with 240HP BS3 engine supplied under JnNURM. This model was launched in Jan2010.
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Now that engine, is not the older generation B-series, but a derated new gen B-series engine, the same one that will be on the 285Hp Hispano Globus. It is not 5.9, but 6.7L ISBe. And the rating is actually 235hp rather than 240hp.
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My statement meant that if my company had 60+% overall market share, I would definitely not go out and resort to negative marketing.

I am sorry to say this, but I thought we were having a fruitful unbiased discussion here, but it seems like people are getting the wrong meaning.
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Happened to read in Jan edition of Motor India about, chennai based Bus Body builder..Techno Automotives, as an alternative to Karur and Banagalore based bus body builders. Techno Automotives: Engineered to Perfection In their website they show a picture of Sutlej Lexia. Lexia is assembled here, not sure what is the connection?

On a different note, Any body got a chance to visit the Bus World expo, conducted in the middle of January at Mumbai?
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^^^ Just noticed that the windshield wipers are oriented vertically and the two arms mounted parallely, unlike the ones in Volvo. Won't this setup result in the Wiper blades resting in the middle, obstructing view?

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