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Old 24th February 2011, 18:04   #16
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But this is not an Army truck. It comes under Police. From the color and logo it seems to be a CRPF truck. their requirements are different from the Army.
This belongs to CRPF arm of NDRF. Please read the first post. i tried to give a bit of detail there.
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Wow! A good find.

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Maybe this is just a 15000 litres capacity bowser they thought a 120 hp cummins will do the job efficiently. Even the Gearbox is 6 speeder (front side reverse) from old version.

Gear Lever, 5 front 1 Rev. This is classic old school TATA sequence.
Attachment 506472
It is a 5 speed gearbox. Normally Reverse gear will not be accounted.

I doubt on the capacity. TATA 1212 --> 12 Ton GVW with 120HP powered, where the vehicle Kerb weight will be around 6 Tons. 15k litres of water (assuming water as no info available on the thread) weighs 15 Tons. IMO the tank capacity will be around 5~6k litres.

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The Air Distribution and Drying unit is a unit that does the job of de-humidifying, ie removal of excess moisture, from the air circulating in the braking circuit as well as distributing the air from the master air tank to the brake chambers for all the wheels as and when required.
DDU distributes the compressed air from the Air compressor to different air tanks / reservoirs.
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I stand corrected, I think its a 6000 liters capacity bowser.
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But this is not an Army truck. It comes under Police. From the color and logo it seems to be a CRPF truck. their requirements are different from the Army.
This has been mentioned in the first post by SirAlec, quoting the first post (below) for reference. It is indeed a NDRF truck!

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Now getting back to the point, This TATA is part of the now still infant India's NDRF. That is National Disaster Response Force which was formed in 2005 to handle natural or any other kind of disasters.
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About TATA 1212 TC 4x4.
Until I saw this today I never thought this model ever existed. I mean a 4x4 with just a 120hp engine. I mean when did Tata thought of reviving the iconic 12xx series that changed its fate for good in Indian CV segment.
Firstly BIG thanks to Kenden , you helped me narrowing down on my search ( latest update ) I am planning a Motorhome on such ( Leyland Stalion etc) Chassis . But a Tata chassis will be great wrt parts & service .

You can find its roots in the TMB trucks ( Tata Merc-Benz of old time ) used in Indian Army ,all those tippers & cranes etc .

Tata produced these ( or alike ) trucks in 80s the Model was known as 1210 SD ( sand vehicle ) you can also find its look alike with the Navy in Mumbai ( I don't know its current name )

I have few pics to share

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We had 1210SE. 4x4 was very rare, and was not that easily to civvies. So had two TATA Mercedes 312 4x4, army auctioned one.

The load bearing of 312 was such that one load of 312 that was bought from jungle was loaded into two 1210SE.

These are commonly called SF or semi-forwards. But i think for motor-home best bet would be LP. for its turning capabilities, bonnet inside the cab etc. etc.
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As of now there are quite a few options available from Tata that can be used as a motorhome base, starting from a 4x4 407, to a I think 1516 in 4x4 troop carrier version. An LPT chassis would obviously allow you for a larger area to build on in comparison to an SFC design.

Also, I think now these are available to the public, in the non-armored versions that is. Earlier their sale used to be limited to the Indian Army or other Paramilitary forces, but those limits have been lifted now.
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@Sudarshan : But why do you prefere a truck chassis for a motor home instead of a bus?
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But i think for motor-home best bet would be LP. for its turning capabilities, bonnet inside the cab etc. etc.
semi forward advantage > Crumple zone in front of driver ( Necessary in Indian conditions )+ advantages of engine being out side cabin.

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@Sudarshan : But why do you prefere a truck chassis for a motor home instead of a bus?
A bus chassis wont be 4x4 , I want this for go anywhere purpose & durability ( strength ) , can sacrifice some comfort for that .

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I dont think there is much of a serious advantage in terms of safety between semi-forward and fully forward trucks.

Also, in semi-forward the engine isnt completely outside the cabin. Also its not like the trucks use a lot of noise dampening for a significant decrease in noise to occur.

As for a 4x4 bus, I think Tata do actually provide a bus with 4x4 capabilities too. But that is a specialised vehicle for the Indian Army and not likely to available to general public.
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I dont think there is much of a serious advantage in terms of safety between semi-forward and fully forward trucks.

Also, in semi-forward the engine isnt completely outside the cabin. Also its not like the trucks use a lot of noise dampening for a significant decrease in noise to occur.

As for a 4x4 bus, I think Tata do actually provide a bus with 4x4 capabilities too. But that is a specialised vehicle for the Indian Army and not likely to available to general public.
Sir as Mr.Sudarshan said so, don't you think the mass of the engine and the front structure of the fully forward truck is much safer to drive than a semi-forward?
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Actually, I think it might be detrimental, as the engine may come blasting into the passenger compartment in case of a frontal collision. Remember, unlike cars trucks don't have a strong firewall to prevent the engine penetrating the passenger compartment. Also, I think usage of a seat belts, collapsible steering columns and airbags go a long way in improving safety rather than semi-forward cabs. SFCs are pretty much limited to mining trucks and tractors in America. In fully forward cabin, the engine does not pose much of a threat to the passenger compartment as it is already inside the cabin.
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Actually, I think it might be detrimental, as the engine may come blasting into the passenger compartment in case of a frontal collision. Remember, unlike cars trucks don't have a strong firewall to prevent the engine penetrating the passenger compartment
Trucks are cab on ladder frame. The ladder frame is quite strong.

Have never seen engine coming or dismounting during an impact.

Todays. Semi-Fwd is just a name. All of the components are at front unlike older 1210
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What does the frame have anything to do with it?? The engine is mounted on the frame using just a few bolts on to the frame.

In case of a head on crash in at over 50kmph, of course with another truck, both semi-forward and fully forward crash,are equally unsafe. @SirAlec

Could you elaborate as to what components were at the "back" in the older 1210s. Having seen quite a few of the older trucks and buses, I dont really see much of a difference in placement of mechanical components from today's fully forwards or semi forwards.The difference is mostly in how the cabin is mounted on the truck, rather than the placement of the components.

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check my other thread for images. All i can say is previous trucks were naturally aspirated. Hence less plumbing. Do check those images.
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