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Old 3rd October 2012, 18:46   #16
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This thread will be EPIC! i am gonna share this with my friends and other car-lovers!
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Old 3rd October 2012, 19:18   #17
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+1 to what pranavt said, its much more easier to install it on the crank pulley. I have attached a pic of my install where the 36-1 wheel is attached to the crank pulley, hope it helps. Btw its used on a G13BB esteem motor.
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+1 to what pranavt said, its much more easier to install it on the crank pulley. I have attached a pic of my install where the 36-1 wheel is attached to the crank pulley, hope it helps. Btw its used on a G13BB esteem motor.
Hi NC1BAD,
Thanks for the picture. BTW did you happen to you a Hall effect type sensor or a VR sensor? Also it would be interesting to know what sort of EFI system was installed in your esteem.
And the most intereting thing we would like to know is about "1.3 Ne 118" found in your signature.
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We are using two MSII v3 boards for different projects. On one i am using VR sensor from ford ikon and for the second unit mostly Hall Effect from DIYtune. Ford uses hall sensor in Figo , costs 600/- rupees at service center.
NE project started as a wannabe drift car as its the only cheap RWD car i could find, its currently running a G13B carb motor to check how much power the transmission and axle can handle. After i finish with my other projects , i will most probably getting a 1.6 ROCAM motor from ikon in it.Hoping to find gearbox and axle from maruti versa.



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Hi NC1BAD,
Thanks for the picture. BTW did you happen to you a Hall effect type sensor or a VR sensor? Also it would be interesting to know what sort of EFI system was installed in your esteem.
And the most intereting thing we would like to know is about "1.3 Ne 118" found in your signature.
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Old 4th October 2012, 13:22   #20
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We are using two MSII v3 boards for different projects. On one i am using VR sensor from ford ikon and for the second unit mostly Hall Effect from DIYtune. Ford uses hall sensor in Figo , costs 600/- rupees at service center.
NE project started as a wannabe drift car as its the only cheap RWD car i could find, its currently running a G13B carb motor to check how much power the transmission and axle can handle. After i finish with my other projects , i will most probably getting a 1.6 ROCAM motor from ikon in it.Hoping to find gearbox and axle from maruti versa.
Dude, even I am using the same MSII V3 board only. Some how I was convinced that MS-III was more sophisticated for a first timer.
So, which gearbox have you mated with the G13B engine, is it from gypsy or the NE itself? Would it not be a better idea to go for the G16 engine with the Gypsy transmission, as this exercise has been carried out by some of our fellow team-bhpians as well. Any particular reason that you stick to 1.6 Rocam?
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I bought MSII because its cheaper
Its mated to NE's gb itself via spacer plate, not a clean job but something more of a trial thing. The reason i did go not go in for gypsy GB and Diff is because of the ratio is towards high torque,thats why i am searching for versa's gb / diff combo , better suited.
G16 engines are quite expensive, I sell those engines at 45k plus, not worth a 20k car lol, and as i have an esteem with turbocharged G16 motor , want to try something else.
ROCAM for only one reason:torque peaks at 130Nm @ 2500 and also they are cheap to buy.

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Dude, even I am using the same MSII V3 board only. Some how I was convinced that MS-III was more sophisticated for a first timer.
So, which gearbox have you mated with the G13B engine, is it from gypsy or the NE itself? Would it not be a better idea to go for the G16 engine with the Gypsy transmission, as this exercise has been carried out by some of our fellow team-bhpians as well. Any particular reason that you stick to 1.6 Rocam?
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Old 4th October 2012, 22:40   #22
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Hi There,
Awesome thread indeed. I always used to feel something likethis should be done to the NE and had spoken to my friend Rahul a couple of times about the same. its really nice to see this thread .Appreciate your efforts indeed. All the best for the project.
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Thats bro. I went through the imfsoft products & I was surpirsed to see the programmable CDI unit for Jawa motorcycle.
Sharing some (tried & tested) sources of electronic ignition control units:
1. for cars (link)
2. for motorcycles (link)

We had used the B&B unit for a 500cc RE. (I think it was a Mk3 version then). This thread appeals a lot to me and I will be closely following the steps.
Thanks a lot ilangop for sharing !
I wouldn't mind more detailed experiences though !
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Old 5th October 2012, 16:55   #24
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There are companies who manufacture programmable CDI units where the ignition curves can be tweaked.

Example : http://imfsoft.com/hardware/products...nition-cdi.asp
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Sharing some (tried & tested) sources of electronic ignition control units:
1. for cars (link)
2. for motorcycles (link)
Thanks guys for sharing such info.
Yesteday I finally finished soldering all the components on to the mother board. Now the ECU as it is looks complete. But I am hunting for a high current ignition coil driver IGBT. The kit came with 1 IGBT for ignition coil where as I am interested in getting rid of the distributor and having 2 ignition coils in a wasted spark setup. The BIP373 IGBT provided with the kit is available only in the US. Please suggest me some IGBT which can stand 350 - 400 V (saturation) and about 15 - 20 A of current. Thanks to NC1BAD who came forward to add 1 more of this IGBT while he would place an order for his project, but I am some how restless to see the results soon
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And i thought i was good with DIY. there really isnt much of a DIY culture in this country anyway,but ilango you are inspiring to say the least. even ive toyed with the idea of retrofitting EFI and ABS but considered it too much of a risk to invest money in. But your determination is admirable. I really do believe that you should be next in line for the distinguished BHPian tag. Are the mods listening ?
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Thank you for your inputs.
For those you have the doubt "what happens to the car if the project fails?", all this mechanical fitment is checked on a spare engine brought from the scrap yard.
This cannot fail with this much of TLC you are providing. I am jealous of you man. I tried this with my friend and failed. Ours was not calculated or this thought out. May the force be with you!
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... but ilango you are inspiring to say the least. even ive toyed with the idea of retrofitting EFI and ABS but considered it too much of a risk to invest money in.
Thanks for motivating me guys. Actually I have no one around me to ask for a guidance or help if I am stuck.
Since I am waiting for procuring the ignition coil driver IGBT, its time for some purchase. This morning I went to a spare parts shop who usually gives 0% discount & never entertains a bargain. Explained him what I am doing and what I want to achieve. After convincing him that this is a learning experiment and nothing commercial he headed for offering a discount. Hence I loaded my bag with the following components (see first picture)
1. Fuel Pump Zen MPFI - Rs 1900/-
2. Ignition coil pack - Hyundai Santro Zing - Rs 1460/-
3. Ignition cable set - Hyundai Santro Zing - Rs 500/-
4. Spark Plug pack - Hyundai Santro Zing - Rs 240/-
I expect the injector bunges and the fuel rail to be done by today. The lathe guy is also equally enthusiastic. Will post the pics of the machined stuff tomorrow. Also it is high time that the surge tank location and design is finalized.
The second picture shows the tentative locations for the surge tank and the Ignition coil. Alternate location for Surge tank will be at "Ign coil 1". Picture source: http://premierpadmini.webs.com/apps/...toid=107467421 This car belongs to Scarlet_Rider (Rahul Waghmare). Sorry for robbing your pic dude. I couldn't find an underhood pic of my car at this moment. Thanks for the same.
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Ilango : Good to see your project progressing rapidly. Eagerly awaiting the outcome!

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The second picture shows the tentative locations for the surge tank and the Ignition coil. Alternate location for Surge tank will be at "Ign coil 1". Picture source: http://premierpadmini.webs.com/apps/...toid=107467421 This car belongs to Scarlet_Rider (Rahul Waghmare). Sorry for robbing your pic dude. I couldn't find an underhood pic of my car at this moment. Thanks for the same.
Well, you can pay me later for robbing my car's pic! Will let you know the price later!

Anyway coming back to the topic, here is a underhood picture of our PPL Viceroy that you may find useful to highlight the locations of the surge tank and ignition coil(s).

Regards and Keep Revving,

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Once this project finishes, I will come all the way to Pune to see your car and then we both drive in your MPFI 118NE to Goa and celebrate your success!
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Once this project finishes, I will come all the way to Pune to see your car and then we both drive in your MPFI 118NE to Goa and celebrate your success!
You are a real Funky Karthik

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Ilango : Good to see your project progressing rapidly. Eagerly awaiting the outcome!
Well, you can pay me later for robbing my car's pic! Will let you know the price later!

Anyway coming back to the topic, here is a underhood picture of our PPL Viceroy that you may find useful to highlight the locations of the surge tank and ignition coil(s).
Thank dude. BTW could you please suggest me any locally available IGBT that can drive the ignition coils. Asking you since you are in the field.
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