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Old 19th April 2012, 15:44   #9661
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Looks like Nikon is affected by a virus called 'mega pixel-o-phobia' !! I feel Sandisk has secretly signed a business deal with Nikon, more mega pixel = more memory cards on sale !! I wont be surprised if they launch a D90s with 36 MP too
Nikon has obviously spent the last couple of years catching up on high resolution sensors. If a D3200 has 24 MP then I can imagine the upcoming D400 to be around the same if not more.

However, its not the MP count that matters - if the D800, which is now snapping at medium format resolutions, is anything to go by it is quite these guys have probably discovered the secret sauce for making high resolution + dynamic range + high ISO performance sensors. Amazing!

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How is your D800 doing ? Anything special felt so far ? I dont have an upgrade itch yet unless fashion and glamour comes my way ! Friends who are in regular interaction with me have moved from 5D MII to MIII already and showing off to the best way they can. I love to own a D4 but right now its too high to reach !
No Shaju, I don't have the D800..yet. I swung a D4 last month. Well, it is a big jump over my D700 in every way. Have been travelling on work quite a bit in April and have a vacation scheduled end of this month/early May where I expect to use it extensively. A bummer that I lost my PPed photos to a corrupted HDD. I restored all the originals from backup but need to go thru that painful PP process again.

Your upgrade itch will appear very soon not just courtesy your friends' display of the new 5D Mk3 but the superb performance of the D800.
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....I swung a D4 last month. Well, it is a big jump over my D700 in every way.....Your upgrade itch will appear very soon not just courtesy your friends' display of the new 5D Mk3 but the superb performance of the D800.
How could I mess up the models in your possession ? Blame it on Nikon, their costliest one was D3X until the recent launches. So, I still have the feeling of D800 as the costliest in my mind with 36MP and D4 as 16 MP, second highest in price Dont you think D800 should have been 16 to 20MP range and D4 in the 30 to 36 MP area ?

I am not taking the megapixel as anything important here, there are plenty of D80, D90, D200, D300 and D700 still doing its commercial works without any issue and none of them are above 12MP. My upgrade itches have died in December itself, now nothing new will come to my bag, unless it can fetch me the cost in few months.
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How could I mess up the models in your possession ? Blame it on Nikon, their costliest one was D3X until the recent launches. So, I still have the feeling of D800 as the costliest in my mind with 36MP and D4 as 16 MP, second highest in price Dont you think D800 should have been 16 to 20MP range and D4 in the 30 to 36 MP area ?
Not 'models' dear Shaju...just 'model' (for now) unlike the D700 and D7000 in your possession. I think you have moved full time into pro photography haven't you?

The D4 is seen as a successor to the D3S (not D3x, as is commonly believed) with marginally better low light performance combined with better FPS (11 compared to 9 in the D3s) and improvements in AF + MP count. This one is for action photography and reportage while the D800 @ 4fps is for primarily for studio and landscapes. What is astonishing however is the D800's dynamic range at that sky high MP count.

Even the Canon 1DX has 'only' 18MP compared with the 5D Mk3's 23 MP. But the screaming high and very impressive frame rate of 14 fps and low light sensitivity (for indoor stadium shots) are required for the London Olympics which I read is the target event for 1Dx and D4 cameras.

We can expect the D4s and/or D4x to be in the 40MP+ range.

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My upgrade itches have died..now nothing new will come to my bag
I've heard this one before mate...many a time, from many people.

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I have never printed images larger than A3 - and my 400D sufficed for this purpose. When I did upgrade to a 7D, it was for the faster reaponse and weatherproof magnesium alloy body. I still feel 400D with 8MP sensor is a better portrait cam than the 18MP 7D, as the images have less noise up to ISO 400 (prefer to shoot at 100 or 200, but sometimes have to push higher). Higher ISOs, 7D wins hands down.
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Do they allow you take a few test shots before buying? Is yes, then IMO its worth taking a few test shots and then if you are satisfied everything is fine, go ahead and seal the deal.

Mind sharing where you are buying it from? I am also on the look for good used lenses. Mostly in the wide angle range something like 10-20mm.
Yes Before you purchase it we can feel the lens, take sample shots with in the shop limits and if we like it then only we can go ahead with payment.

they will not allow you to touch the lens if you don't take your camera there for testing , so no window shopping/lens touching is allowed there.

and i am picking it from Czech republic from a biggest Camera show room called as fotoskoda.
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....I've heard this one before mate...many a time, from many people....
Me too, but there is a reason to say that now. I have touched the ceiling when it comes to the Pro quality lenses. Right now I cant find anything better than what I already own. Body is anyway an optional part that can be retained or upgraded purely based on the need. 24 to 200mm area is all what I need, and thats well covered in 4 lenses, cant wish for more for the sake of carrying more weight

Full time PRO is just a wish even now, I am still testing waters ! Cant think of sticking to one field of photography, I enjoy shooting variety of things. And you know, specialists are more in demand these days, I dont want to be a specialist.

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I have touched the ceiling when it comes to the Pro quality lenses. Right now I cant find anything better than what I already own. Body is anyway an optional part that can be retained or upgraded purely based on the need..
I think most of us will never be able to reach the ceiling that pro lenses can deliver. They are at the cutting edge of optical and electronics technology. But as with you, I spent a long time building up a collection of pro lenses, ranging from 14 to 300mm including 3 primes, instead of going in for a high end pro (D3S/D3X) body right at the start. The D4 came much later after I had the lenses that I wanted. All my lenses except one, the 50mm F/1.4G, are 'gold rimmed'. Wish list only includes the 600mm F4 but thats a dream for now.

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Full time PRO is just a wish even now, I am still testing waters !.
Wish you all the best mate!

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I think most of us will never be able to reach the ceiling that pro lenses can deliver.......Wish list only includes the 600mm F4 but thats a dream for now....
With the D4 at your disposal, I am sure you will be able to push your lenses to its limit. Golden rings are anyday better than red rings (hope someone does not come out with stones again !!lol)

I cant find any use to lenses above 200mm right now, because I am not a birder nor a wild life guy, no intention to apply for Nat Geo too. What are you going to do with the 600mm ? My friend owns an 800mm canon, other than the snob value, respect and the canon pro membership, I really doubt if he makes any income out of it ! Heavy lenses always accompany with heavy tripods and accessories and most shooters have helpers too. Thats a different life altogether. I would rather spend that on pimping up my dream ride
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But it looks as if the D800 will wipe the floor with the 5D Mk3. Let us wait for the DXOMark and field reports.
As expected this is confirmed by DXO's tests out today a evening of 19th Apr. The D800 has smoked the Canon 5D Mk3. Photo forums are in flames. :-) The 5DM3 scored an overall 81 versus the D800's 95

DxOMark - Compare cameras side by side

Incidentally the overall score of the 5D MK3 = the Sony NEX7's overall score, which may prove to be an embarassment for Canon.

DxOMark - Compare cameras side by side

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Golden rings are anyday better than red rings (hope someone does not come out with stones again !!lol)
Sssshhhh! Read what's happened at the DXO site (my post) and then check the Dpreview Canon 1D/5D forums. They are up in arms!

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I cant find any use to lenses above 200mm right now, because I am not a birder nor a wild life guy, What are you going to do with the 600mm ? My friend owns an 800mm canon, other than the snob value, respect and the canon pro membership, Thats a different life altogether. I would rather spend that on pimping up my dream ride
I want the lens mainly for birding. What you say is absolutely true..I simply cannot justify, at least for the foreseeable future, lugging around a 5 kg monster costing as much as a small car. But for the time being I will make do with Optimus Prime (remember him? ) and with a TC2-III that will transform it (sorry, not intentionally bringing up the movie Transformer's names) a poor mans 600mm one stop slower at F/5.6.
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As with everything automotive, the numbers don't always tell the story quite like it is, isn't it ? DXO scores with such variation leave me a little sceptical , the 5DIII shouldn't be that far behind a D800, and I totally expect the D4 should be better than the D800, DXO score notwithstanding. I'm a bit puzzled as to the D800's DR , having read a paper somewhere that linked DR to pixel pitch , sort of saying that bigger pixels = more DR. So the D800 outdoing the D4 in dynamic range is a bit of a shocker.

36MP D90s ? Might happen in 3-4 years with the D7x00 and D5x00 , but I thought pixel count wars were over in the last generation with the D3s and D700 showing fabulous pictures. That Nikon should turn around and resume the MP count wars, is bothersome , most of us don't print much, and rarely large prints. They could bring new FX bodies with high pixel counts to satisfy the "12MP isn't enough" crowd while keeping the 8-16MP DSLRs in both DX and FX for the low-light/noise ninjas ! I'd rather like a camera what I can shoot a black cat sprinting in the night at f/8 and 1/1000s at any ISO that gives a good noise-free image - whether they make sensitive pixels at same ISO or raise useful ISO levels.

All said, the urge to upgrade my D90 to D7000 has also subsided, more due to wanting upgrade other things - bike, car , PC than the futility of gear lust or not shooting as much as I'd like, till maybe the day my D90 gives up or they make the above low light camera at a price I can afford
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Guys,any idea of a photography contest,for a beginer like me can try?
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How would you guys rate a brand new Canon EOS 550D with EF 18-55mm lens and 2years India warranty at Rs.32990 at Ebay? Is it a good enough deal?
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I opened this thread more than six years ago and bought a D50 :-) I also bought a Sigma 70-300 and a 50mm prime afterwards.

Now is the time to upgrade my gear, and I have got a good deal on a D300 (with MB-D10 grip, less than 10000 shots) and I am buying that. I also want to upgrade lenses and want to buy a good UWA and a good walk-around lens. I had decided upon Nikon 16-85 and Tokina 11-16 but then came the twist in the tale...

Tokina isn't available in India with bill and warranty. And I don't want to spend 36.5K without that assurance. So I am gravitating towards Sigma 10-20, which is available for 28K. Tamron 10-24 is available for 1K less, but is reportedly inferior to Sigma.

Now comes the more confusing part. I was decided upon Nikon 16-85, but the more I read about it, the more doubts I have. People say it's no great shakes and not at all value for money. Build quality is definitely good and it has a metal mount but how much would that matter.

Please tell me how goodis Tamron 17-50 F/2.8 in comparison to Nikon 16-85? And are there any other good walk-around lenses in this range (less than 35K)?

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Golden rings are anyday better than red rings (hope someone does not come out with stones again !!lol)
Erm.. the 14-24 and the 24-70 are the only two that are, for now, better than their red counterparts! The new 24-70 (red) in all probabilities be better than the golden one (based on the recent launches of the upgraded versions. Red also has many more wonderful value for money choices (like the 70-200 f4/f4 IS) and always has been a choice of more pros when it comes to teles.

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As expected this is confirmed by DXO's tests out today a evening of 19th Apr. The D800 has smoked the Canon 5D Mk3. Photo forums are in flames. :-) The 5DM3 scored an overall 81 versus the D800's 95
How reliable do you think the DXO results are!!? Just a glance through the DXO results (for the canon lenses, not sure if the same holds good for nikon) will make you laugh!

Both, D800 and 5D MK III are very very good cameras and the difference between them is not exactly night and day. Both have their pros and cons.

The NEX 7 sensor (which will also be seen in the D3200) can hardly embarrass the mkiii. The sensor might be the heart of the camera but there is so much more to camera than just it.

BTW, I am not a canon fanboy! Just sharing a few facts.
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