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Old 12th August 2017, 19:25   #14521
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It should be mostly children / adults in an indoor setting / semi-outdoor setting. (That is, not open parks / fields; more like marriage halls). I also do a bit of a street photography when I am abroad. The full frame upgrade will be there, so looking only at FF compatible lenses. But there is still so much to learn on the humble 60d, that I cant justify buying full frame, yet!
Well. If you want tight portraits, 85mm is better. If you want to include more of the surroundings, 50mm is better. Not getting into 1.8 vs 1.4, which has obvious tradeoffs re cost, bokeh/isolation, and AF performance.

85 mm will be rather tight on a crop sensor, especially in a room/hall.
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3. D7100 is old now. There are better sensors....
First of all big fan of you wildlife threads, Nilanjan. Thanks for the great pictures!!

Agree D7100 is old, but among the two cameras mentioned I think this one is more VFM if and only if it is well maintained since it is a used one. Correct me if I am wrong.

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1. GPS: how is that useful?....
2. WiFi: how is that useful?....
3. D7100: if one is in the Nikon ecosystem, it makes sense, if one wants to learn. But moving from Canon to Nikon: why? Why not a 70D?
I do not know how much this will be useful for the buyer, it was comparison on what features are missing if he chooses one over the other. Since the OP is still in his teens and just wanted to learn photography so I think D7100 would be a wise choice at the moment and gradually move to a high end camera instead of spending huge money right away on a camera which he is not sure about.
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It should be mostly children / adults in an indoor setting / semi-outdoor setting. (That is, not open parks / fields; more like marriage halls). I also do a bit of a street photography when I am abroad. The full frame upgrade will be there, so looking only at FF compatible lenses. But there is still so much to learn on the humble 60d, that I cant justify buying full frame, yet!
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Given that you are talking in plural: children, adult(s) - perhaps the 50mm will be better, definitely in the short term, till you get a full frame?

And the tradeoff b/w 1.8 and 1.4. Note: this is my perspective using 85mm, not 50mm. I have shot with 85mm f/1.8, f/1.4, and 50mm f/1.8 (D and G, Nikon).
1. Bokeh/isolation: 1.4 better, but not when shooting multiple folks. If you stop down significantly, why a 1.4?
2. Cost: 1.8 is significantly more vfm
3. AF: 1.8 is better than 1.4. It can be challenging to nail the eye using 1.4.
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Given that you are talking in plural: children, adult(s) - perhaps the 50mm will be better, definitely in the short term, till you get a full frame?

And the tradeoff b/w 1.8 and 1.4. Note: this is my perspective using 85mm, not 50mm. I have shot with 85mm f/1.8, f/1.4, and 50mm f/1.8 (D and G, Nikon).
1. Bokeh/isolation: 1.4 better, but not when shooting multiple folks. If you stop down significantly, why a 1.4?
2. Cost: 1.8 is significantly more vfm
3. AF: 1.8 is better than 1.4. It can be challenging to nail the eye using 1.4.
Thank you for the detailed help. My findings are the same. I was going in for the 50 1.4 blindly from Canon. Then I found out that the street cred for this lens is not that great. Image too soft wide open. If that is the case, then there is no use going in for the 1.4. Additionally, the front element and the micro USM motor (not true USM) was prone to failures.

The 85 1.8 even though brilliant will be too long for my 60d. I love my 50 1.8 and I was not so happy when it broke, so I decided to get another one, this time with stm motor, that makes it silent.
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Actually for indoors, I find 35mm F1.8 DX ideal lens for a cropped sensor (D3300 in my case), 50mm and 85mm are too long for closed spaces.
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First of all big fan of you wildlife threads, Nilanjan. Thanks for the great pictures!!

Agree D7100 is old, but among the two cameras mentioned I think this one is more VFM if and only if it is well maintained since it is a used one. Correct me if I am wrong.
Thank you :-)

My suggestions:

1. Better to stick to the same brand, if one is looking at used crop sensor bodies. 70D is as good as D7100. When switching, one will have to sell old lenses, get familiar with new ergonomics etc. The costs IMO are more than benefits.

2. Focus on core features and capabilities that really matter. It doesn't take much time transfer photos, almost everyone carries a laptop.
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