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Old 4th August 2017, 09:19   #721
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Ok thanks very much.

Nearest She'll about 10km away, will have to go and buy the cans.

Electrician just arrived. Two hours early. I'm fast asleep!

How much are the cans?

Anyway, I don't like storing petrol in flimsy plastic can.

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See the below picture of it where we are filling diesel to a Safari
Your diesel looks so clear it almost looks like water. The diesel we get here is slightly colored.

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Ok thanks very much.


Electrician just arrived. Two hours early. I'm fast asleep!

How much are the cans?

Anyway, I don't like storing petrol in flimsy plastic can.
You can buy Jerry Can (I don't think you need any introduction to this ) from many online stores. I bought one 20 liter Jerry can for long drives. Very well built and even when it is tipped over, it doesn't spill. I bought mine for Rs.2000/-.

Only hassle is to lift the can with fuel...
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Thanks, yes... That's what I need.

For now, law or no law, our friend auto driver just bought 3 plastic cans and got them filled with 15 litres petrol!

Electrician at work. Seems to be competent. Looks like he's done this before... A few hundred times!
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one can't buy petrol in cans any longer.

WHAT?
You can if you explain to them, maybe carry a pic of the genset Buy and keep 20-30 liter so that it will last sometime. If you have safe storage ie
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The generator was delivered today
Waiting for your detailed review...

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Buy and keep 20-30 liter so that it will last sometime. If you have safe storage ie
Here is an excerpt from the Honda's user-manual:

Depending on the region where you operate your equipment, fuel
formulations may deteriorate and oxidize rapidly. Fuel deterioration and
oxidation can occur in as little as 30 days and may cause damage to
the fuel system.

Gasoline will oxidize and deteriorate in storage. Old gasoline will cause
hard starting, and it leaves gum deposits that clog the fuel system. If
the gasoline in your generator deteriorates during storage, you may
need to have the fuel system components serviced or replaced.
The length of time that gasoline can be left in your fuel tank without
causing functional problems will vary with such factors as gasoline
blend, your storage temperatures, and whether the fuel tank is partially
or completely filled. The air in a partially filled fuel tank promotes fuel
deterioration. Very warm storage temperatures accelerate fuel
deterioration. Fuel deterioration problems may occur within a few
months, or even less if the gasoline was not fresh when you filled the
fuel tank.

Since it is hard to predict power-cuts in India, it is a nuisance to plan ahead for the exact amount of petrol to store for emergencies.

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That's absolutely right about the petrol. Well, we'll have to take it as it comes. To be honest, we don't much bother about putting old petrol in the water pump, but this new gadget is a little bit more expensive! We'll have to see.

The electrician did a good job of wiring it in. Very neat. I think he has done it a few hundred times! Cost us 2k plus materials. Our local guy would have charged a few hundred for the same amount of time, but I think it was worth employing a specialist.

It is situated in a semi-open place. I will tape a never-used-anyway nearby window as extra CO-prevention safety. For long running, we will move it to the gate. There is quite a lot of pressure from the exhaust: it is pretty-much blowing strongly to the outside anyway. I'm sure that many generator users don't take any precautions at all. But maybe some of them wake up dead!

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Since you have installed a manual change-over switch, you have to switch off the genset and pull the change-over lever after the power comes on?

With an electronic switch, the genset can be wired so that it automatically switches off and transfers to mains.

One problem with an electronic-changeover is that it consumes some power always (Parasitic load), even when the mains is on.

Presently there are no major power-cuts in Tamilnadu.
It was a horror in 2012 when there were 12 hours cut daily

I am planning to get one in future if necessary.
(I had an old model Honda some eight years back, and presently have a APC-BI850SINE which is sufficient for my needs now).
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With an electronic switch, the genset can be wired so that it automatically switches off and transfers to mains.
Yes, that is indeed a good idea.

Learning how to live with the thing, and it's early days (day 1 in fact!). How do we know when the power cut is over. Duh...

With the invertor, apart from AC going on and off if we are using it, we have one wall lamp that acts as a mains pilot light. It is the only light that is not wired via the inverter. It is lit by a couple of LED lamps big enough to be useful, but not big enough to cost much to run. Now, the generator simply replaces EB power and everything is powered (subject to capacity, of course.)

The only thing is that the 3-phase change-over switch pilot lights are not lit under generator power. It is visible from the main hall, but behind a cupboard door. I will have to cut a slot and turn them on when turning on the generator.

I will compose a "Standing Orders" procedure for myself, and others. Including what to turn off (automatic water pump, house water pressure pump, etc). when turning on the generator.

Yes, this is a very manual system, but that's ok with me.
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It was a horror in 2012 when there were 12 hours cut daily
In the city, it was one or two hours cut a day, with a 9-5 cut maybe once a week. Why Chennai-city people were favoured (influence?) when others were getting cuts 12 hours a day, I do not know. I remember being literally semi-conscious on one 40-degree-plus all-day cut day.

Funnily enough, we have had two one-hour cuts this evening. Sadly, though, no heavy rain to test out the generator prime purpose.

We turned it on when we needed the microwave. That was fine, even in "eco" mode. display showed about 2kva. This thing is nowhere near big enough to just live normally, which is one reason that I don't want fully auto operation. 2kva is not enough to make the thing take a deep breath, but I doubt that one could add an AC to that. I suspect the rule is... One major appliance at a time.

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Inverter woes.

Bought a Luminous Zelio inverter in April. I might have mentioned that it failed with a burnt component last month and the company technician visited and replaced the board.

Now it playing up again, showing no mains power when there is mains power, and cutting its output.

Will report and try to get fixed, but really...

Help. I need a smallish 12v inverter that works reliably. Simply works. Recommendations?
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Help. I need a smallish 12v inverter that works reliably. Simply works. Recommendations?
I am a very satisfied customer of APC BI850SINE for the past six years.
After the first two years of warranty, I have been on AMC yearly.

Now I am wondering if I have to extend the AMC for the seventh year. It seems that APC has closed shop in India?

Also since I cannot survive without an inverter particularly in south Tamilnadu, was considering to buy another one before the APC fails. I was looking at Exide Inverter:
http://www.exideindustries.com/produ...lower-kva.aspx

Anyone here on team-bhp using an Exide Sinewave Inverter?
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Some time back I heard that APC was then part of another bug US company. Schneider?

Then I heard that APC had been taken over by Luminous! Not good news for those who don't have a lot of faith in Luminous.

By The Way... since that last hiccough, my little Luminous inverter seems to be working fine. Still only about six months old though. Two hiccoughs in six months, one a full burn out, is not good.
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Some time back I heard that APC was then part of another bug US company. Schneider?

Then I heard that APC had been taken over by Luminous! Not good news for those who don't have a lot of faith in Luminous.

By The Way... since that last hiccough, my little Luminous inverter seems to be working fine. Still only about six months old though. Two hiccoughs in six months, one a full burn out, is not good.
APC was acquired by Schneider around 10 years back and Schneider also acquired Luminous around 6 years back. Apc was never acquired by Luminous! (I was working with Schneider earlier)

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Now I am wondering if I have to extend the AMC for the seventh year. It seems that APC has closed shop in India?
Schneider Electric/APC stopped producing home inverters IIRC in 2016-17 which is probably giving rise to rumours about a shut down. Their home inverter models are no longer available in the market which I confirmed with a local dealer.

But they are continuing with their home, SME and enterprise UPS products. APC has a factory in Bangalore and one in North India.

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APC was acquired by Schneider around 10 years back and Schneider also acquired Luminous around 6 years back. Apc was never acquired by Luminous! (I was working with Schneider earlier)
Oh, thanks. So Luminous didn't swallow anybody: Schneider did all the acquisitions.

I remembered all the right names, but mixed them up in the wrong way

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