The Digital Camera Thread: Questions, discussions, etc. - Page 103 - Team-BHP

navin · 27th November 2007, 10:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Samurai

Here is a bunch of high ISO shots taken by a new E3 user using out of the box settings and very little PP.

thanks samurai, i'm still in 2 minds.

based on prices from Bhphotovideo
canon 40D (with 17-55, 70-300/VR, BGE2n) = $3000 (I have a 420EX flash)
Oly E3 (with 12-60, 50-200 (non SWD), FL36 and HLD4) = $3875

in favour of Canon
1. Share 420EX flash with my G2
2. Exchange/Share lenses with relatives (in particular the 70-200/2.8 IS)

BTW I am now also thinking of getting a digi frame like the ones from digital spectrum.
The Perfect Digital Picture Frame
Digital Spectrum | NuVue NV800 Plus, 8.0" Digital | U40114

Samurai · 27th November 2007, 10:34

Strictly by technical merits, E3 is the superior package. But you will lose the obvious advantage of sharing lenses and the local support/resale network of Canon.

I think you have researched enough, you know all the pros and cons, it is time to make your decision.

gkrishn · 27th November 2007, 10:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Samurai

it is time to make your decision.

,Also i need to see those pics taken at 24mm at 2.8 at less than 1/10s...

PatchyBoy · 28th November 2007, 16:58

Canon S3 IS 6 MP 12x Zoom
Canon Rebel XTi with Canon EF S 18-55 & Canon EF 75-300

tsk1979 · 28th November 2007, 23:25

Olympus can't get high ISO right ever I think.
We have been seeing snapshot size samples and people claiming good ISO 1600.
But look at the 100% crop. This is bad!
MY 2 year old canon does 2x better!
E-3 + PhotoAcute at 1600 ISO... (pics): Olympus SLR Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review
Of course the scaled down looks good, but then 100% or 50% crop is where the pudding lies

Samurai · 29th November 2007, 07:07

Tanveer, if you judge every dSLR by their ISO performance, then you can never consider anything outside of Canon. In the film days I never really used anything above 200ASA. Once I bought 400ASA and 1600ASA each just to check it out, but that's about it. Also, in the film days we never cropped, that's a term I heard only after switching to digital.

I am quite happy with the high ISO performance in the Thai boxing images few posts back. The chances of shooting high ISO and needing cropping would be a rare requirement for me. Therefore I am not really worried about it. I am not going to eliminate an excellent dSLR based on such an obscure need.

Being a life long gadget freak (I have improved a lot in the recent years) I have often bought gadgets based on some obscure need, and then never use that feature. These days I buy equipment based on their ability to meet my major requirements. The reason I consider E3 are follows:

1) High speed AF specially in low light, that's a big problem in E-500 now.
2) Handheld indoor/lowlight photography. With E3 I can use both IS and highISO to maximise my chances of good photos. And I don't really care about cropping here.
3) Articulating LCD screen for composing. I hugely miss this feature since it is so handy in my Sony F-717. It is one of the reasons why I still hold on to my F-717.

If not for the above 3, I would happily settle for E-510 which is a bargain now.

tsk1979 · 29th November 2007, 08:17

Its not an obscure need. I have used high ISO to compensate for the cheapo slow tele lens.
I guess will in body IS which can give me guaranteed 2 stop improvement in 600mm(300mmx2), high ISO is not needed.
But if you want to shoot action, you may need to bump up ISO, and except for Oly,Canon/Nikon/Pentax all three offer clean ISO 1600

Samurai · 29th November 2007, 09:44

Not for you, but for me it is an obscure need. I am more than satisfied with the Thai boxing shots.

tsk1979 · 29th November 2007, 10:13

Some guy has found a bug with the in camera NR also. It seems that even for 30 minute exposures, the in camera NR does only 8 minutes max, though the correct amount should be 30 minutes.

Samurai · 29th November 2007, 10:27

That's one more feature I never use, I have never used exposrure longer than 60 seconds. Besides, that bug is a software issue, future updates will fix it.

tsk1979 · 29th November 2007, 10:45

Hehe, Looking at the people here, I think I am a very obscure photographer

Many shots I have taken were at at 50mm F1.8 at ISO 1600
In couple of cases I underexposed and then in RAW pushed up the exposure making it effective ISO 3200.
But then with a IS in body, you don't need all this circus.

Coming back to E-3 I saw a few samples with the sigma 50-500(whopping 1000mm). They were quite good. Handheld moon shots.

Rudra Sen · 29th November 2007, 11:05

All of us are 'obscure' and remain there. Unless we discover solutions to our problems, ourselves.

Samurai · 30th November 2007, 07:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Samurai

Quote:

Originally Posted by satish_appasani

Link to the dealer site is Shetala Cameras

This is a ridiculous website, I know they are the authorised dealers for Olympus, but their website has not been updated since 2005. The only Olympus dSLR they claim to have is E-300.

Now they even lost their domain name, looks like they don't care about web presence.

I wanted get E3 info. Their phone number (published in Olympus site) when called says it is invalid. Do these guys actually exist?

Samurai · 30th November 2007, 10:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Samurai

I wanted get E3 info. Their phone number (published in Olympus site) when called says it is invalid. Do these guys actually exist?

At least their email was active, I got a response. Their phone number is 080-41238528/29, the E3 will be released in India on Dec 15th.

tsk1979 · 30th November 2007, 10:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Samurai

At least their email was active, I got a response. Their phone number is 080-41238528/29, the E3 will be released in India on Dec 15th.

I was told the same timeframe by the exclusive showroom when I enquired.

27th November 2007, 10:34	#1532 (permalink)
Samurai Team-BHP Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Coastal Karnataka Posts: 5,345 View My Garage	Strictly by technical merits, E3 is the superior package. But you will lose the obvious advantage of sharing lenses and the local support/resale network of Canon. I think you have researched enough, you know all the pros and cons, it is time to make your decision. __________________ Samurai The notchy gearshift of GV has become buttery smooth after I started driving the Jeep.

28th November 2007, 16:58	#1534 (permalink)
PatchyBoy BHPian Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 219 View My Garage	Canon S3 IS 6 MP 12x Zoom Canon Rebel XTi with Canon EF S 18-55 & Canon EF 75-300 __________________ Monsoon D R I V E!!! - When is the next One??? _________________________ FIAT PALIO 1.1 SLX Dec 2007

28th November 2007, 23:25	#1535 (permalink)
tsk1979 Team-BHP Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Noida, New Delhi Posts: 8,044 View My Garage	Olympus can't get high ISO right ever I think. We have been seeing snapshot size samples and people claiming good ISO 1600. But look at the 100% crop. This is bad! MY 2 year old canon does 2x better! E-3 + PhotoAcute at 1600 ISO... (pics): Olympus SLR Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review Of course the scaled down looks good, but then 100% or 50% crop is where the pudding lies __________________ .--- ..- ... - - .-- --- -- --- .-. . -.. .- -.-- ... - --- --. --- !!

29th November 2007, 07:07	#1536 (permalink)
Samurai Team-BHP Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Coastal Karnataka Posts: 5,345 View My Garage	Tanveer, if you judge every dSLR by their ISO performance, then you can never consider anything outside of Canon. In the film days I never really used anything above 200ASA. Once I bought 400ASA and 1600ASA each just to check it out, but that's about it. Also, in the film days we never cropped, that's a term I heard only after switching to digital. I am quite happy with the high ISO performance in the Thai boxing images few posts back. The chances of shooting high ISO and needing cropping would be a rare requirement for me. Therefore I am not really worried about it. I am not going to eliminate an excellent dSLR based on such an obscure need. Being a life long gadget freak (I have improved a lot in the recent years) I have often bought gadgets based on some obscure need, and then never use that feature. These days I buy equipment based on their ability to meet my major requirements. The reason I consider E3 are follows: 1) High speed AF specially in low light, that's a big problem in E-500 now. 2) Handheld indoor/lowlight photography. With E3 I can use both IS and highISO to maximise my chances of good photos. And I don't really care about cropping here. 3) Articulating LCD screen for composing. I hugely miss this feature since it is so handy in my Sony F-717. It is one of the reasons why I still hold on to my F-717. If not for the above 3, I would happily settle for E-510 which is a bargain now. __________________ Samurai The notchy gearshift of GV has become buttery smooth after I started driving the Jeep.

29th November 2007, 08:17	#1537 (permalink)
tsk1979 Team-BHP Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Noida, New Delhi Posts: 8,044 View My Garage	Its not an obscure need. I have used high ISO to compensate for the cheapo slow tele lens. I guess will in body IS which can give me guaranteed 2 stop improvement in 600mm(300mmx2), high ISO is not needed. But if you want to shoot action, you may need to bump up ISO, and except for Oly,Canon/Nikon/Pentax all three offer clean ISO 1600 __________________ .--- ..- ... - - .-- --- -- --- .-. . -.. .- -.-- ... - --- --. --- !!

29th November 2007, 09:44	#1538 (permalink)
Samurai Team-BHP Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Coastal Karnataka Posts: 5,345 View My Garage	Not for you, but for me it is an obscure need. I am more than satisfied with the Thai boxing shots. __________________ Samurai The notchy gearshift of GV has become buttery smooth after I started driving the Jeep.

29th November 2007, 10:13	#1539 (permalink)
tsk1979 Team-BHP Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Noida, New Delhi Posts: 8,044 View My Garage	Some guy has found a bug with the in camera NR also. It seems that even for 30 minute exposures, the in camera NR does only 8 minutes max, though the correct amount should be 30 minutes. __________________ .--- ..- ... - - .-- --- -- --- .-. . -.. .- -.-- ... - --- --. --- !!

29th November 2007, 10:27	#1540 (permalink)
Samurai Team-BHP Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Coastal Karnataka Posts: 5,345 View My Garage	That's one more feature I never use, I have never used exposrure longer than 60 seconds. Besides, that bug is a software issue, future updates will fix it. __________________ Samurai The notchy gearshift of GV has become buttery smooth after I started driving the Jeep.

29th November 2007, 10:45	#1541 (permalink)
tsk1979 Team-BHP Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Noida, New Delhi Posts: 8,044 View My Garage	Hehe, Looking at the people here, I think I am a very obscure photographer Many shots I have taken were at at 50mm F1.8 at ISO 1600 In couple of cases I underexposed and then in RAW pushed up the exposure making it effective ISO 3200. But then with a IS in body, you don't need all this circus. Coming back to E-3 I saw a few samples with the sigma 50-500(whopping 1000mm). They were quite good. Handheld moon shots. __________________ .--- ..- ... - - .-- --- -- --- .-. . -.. .- -.-- ... - --- --. --- !!

29th November 2007, 11:05	#1542 (permalink)
Rudra Sen Team-BHP Moderator Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 3,680 View My Garage	All of us are 'obscure' and remain there. Unless we discover solutions to our problems, ourselves.

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