The Digital Camera Thread: Questions, discussions, etc. - Page 121 - Team-BHP

tsk1979 · 5th February 2008, 16:00

I doubt anybody can come close to Fuji quality in P&S. Even Canon lags behind.

That sensor of theirs is crazy stuff!
Few years back when the powershot range(as well as Nikon/sony etc.,) were struggling to get clean ISO400 or even decent ISO 200, the tiny Fuji F10 could get amazing pictures at ISO 800 also)

kvish · 5th February 2008, 17:37

Fujifilm F30 is probably the only camera in the world which sells at a premium after being discontinued. When it was available, stores were selling it at around $130, recently I found people selling it on ebay for around 280-300!

Xehaust · 5th February 2008, 18:02

Hey Navin,
I know that camera phones dont even compare to a basic digicam and that MP is not quality like general folks think.
But like i said, am looking for a very basic camera and yes, having a cam-phone will eliminate the need to carry both as i am sure that if i have a seperate camera, i will only carry it once in a while whereas a cam-phone will always be there.

Lastly, i have seen pictures from the two phones i mentioned and i think it is quite satisfactory given that dark places will be a hindrance but am willing to forego that for the convenience of not having to carry around a seperate camera :P

So here is my dilemma. Given my needs, what are the suggestions of the people here?
I will decide after seeing the majority recommendation. Also, if agree with the cam-phone bit, then which one should i buy? Can stretch my budget a little but not too much. Help is much appreciated.

Xehaust · 5th February 2008, 18:52

Sorry to post again but cant edit the previous post.

Details are : Cam-Phones are K810i and N73. Any others, please specify.
Budget - Approx. Rs.10,000/- Like i said before, a little here and there is acceptable.

gkrishn · 5th February 2008, 21:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xehaust

Sorry to post again but cant edit the previous post.

Details are : Cam-Phones are K810i and N73. Any others, please specify.
Budget - Approx. Rs.10,000/- Like i said before, a little here and there is acceptable.

Dude, seriously these queries are for mobile phone thread. It just dosnt belong here at all.

Xehaust · 6th February 2008, 00:18

gkrishn, the question that im asking here is exactly that...
Should i go in for a basic camera or a cam phone?
Read my previous posts to see why i prefer a cam-phone.
But if you still feel i should go in for a basic camera, then which?
Or if a cam-phone, then which?
Regards, Xehaust.

nitroxx · 6th February 2008, 00:25

heres the question.
T 20 cybershot
W 80 cybershot
L 73 Samsung
and any others that are in the same range.

Which is the best bet?

moralfibre · 6th February 2008, 01:55

Guys I have finally decided on picking up the Canon Powershot S5-IS. Just wanted to know whether I should pick up the additional lenses that are on offer like the wide angle etc:

navin · 6th February 2008, 10:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xehaust

Or if a cam-phone, then which?
Regards, Xehaust.

if you need a phone or a camera that will always be available then get the cam-phone.

Quote:

Originally Posted by moralfibre

Guys I have finally decided on picking up the Canon Powershot S5-IS.

depends on what you shoot. for most purposes I think the wide ngle will be more useful. keep in mind you will loose a stop or 2 with the extra glass.

sids911 · 6th February 2008, 11:38

OK. I am planning to get a decent camera now. I have been a P&S guy till now, and want to move up to either a Bridge or a entry level DSLR.

Primarily I will be shooting Landscapes, cars!, humans and some macros.

The bridge camera I have finalized is S5-IS (With Wide Converter) and DSLR that I am thinking about is EOS 400D with 18-55mm kit lens.

My budget is about 20k INR and will be getting a camera from US.

The question is; does it makes sense to go for a Bridge Camera? 400D is a bit long in tooth but thats the one which fits in my budget, so is it still worth it, or should I collect some more money and go for 450D? Would LiveView really help for a P&S guy like me?
I am just looking at best results I can get from a 20k camera.
So, any other newer options from other companies are welcome.
Thanks

navin · 6th February 2008, 12:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by sids911

Primarily I will be shooting Landscapes, cars!, humans and some macros.
The bridge camera I have finalized is S5-IS (With Wide Converter) and DSLR that I am thinking about is EOS 400D with 18-55mm kit lens.
My budget is about 20k INR and will be getting a camera from US.

The question is; does it makes sense to go for a Bridge Camera? 400D is a bit long in tooth but thats the one which fits in my budget, so is it still worth it, or should I collect some more money and go for 450D? Would LiveView really help for a P&S guy like me?
I am just looking at best results I can get from a 20k camera.
So, any other newer options from other companies are welcome.
Thanks

what i am saying below might make it look like I am some camera snob but really I am not. I am just trying to ensure that what you buy does not devlaue to nothing in 2 years.

1. digicam prices drop very fast. lens prices not so fast.
2. IS can buy you upto 4 stops (often atleast 2) so stick to IS zooms and primes.
3. For prints up to 4x6" or even 6x8" your S5 is very usaable.
4. liveview is very useful but rememebr in a DSLR it really chews battery and in some cases there have been reports of it overheating the sensor although I wonder why that would happen.
5. the D450 (liveview and self cleaning sensor) is not going to be available before June 2008 besides to protect it's 40D market Canon has overpried the 450D for now. Expect prices to slide fast.

given the above the best time to invest in a DSLR is when you can afford good glass. On the Canon system (since you are considering Canon) this would mean glass like the (in order of price) 17-85/3.5-4.5 IS, 70-300/4-5.6 IS, 17-55/2.8 IS, 24-105/4 IS, 24-70/2.8 IS, 70-200/4 IS, 70-200/2.8 IS etc...

Light is an essential comodity to talking good photos. For this reason I would stick to zoom glass larger than 62mm, faster than f/4, and reputed to be sharp (see photo.net, dpreview,com, etc) or primes...and dont forget to get a good flash gun like the 430EX or 580EX as well.

Pentax, Sony, Olympus and Nikon also offer DSLR systems. In either case determine the application, then determine which glass suits the application and work from there. Also note that Canon has more service centers in India than Olympus, Pentax, Sony and Nikon combined; why, I guess that Nikon too has more service centers than Sony, Pentx and Oly combined.

sids911 · 6th February 2008, 14:50

Hi Navin,
I will sound like a complete noob in my replies. I actually had to re-read your post a couple times before I could even reply;

Quote:

Originally Posted by navin

2. IS can buy you upto 4 stops (often atleast 2) so stick to IS zooms and primes.

What exactly are the stops? What are primes?

Quote:

Originally Posted by navin

5. the D450 (liveview and self cleaning sensor) is not going to be available before June 2008 besides to protect it's 40D market Canon has overpried the 450D for now. Expect prices to slide fast.

I will most likely go for a D400. It seems like a decent body. The D450 has three features (LiveView, SD cards, Spot metering) that are enticing me, but i think I will settle for less. Dont want to go into analysis paralysis since I am just a newbie and dont know whats wrong or right for me yet.

Quote:

Originally Posted by navin

given the above the best time to invest in a DSLR is when you can afford good glass. On the Canon system (since you are considering Canon) this would mean glass like the (in order of price) 17-85/3.5-4.5 IS, 70-300/4-5.6 IS, 17-55/2.8 IS, 24-105/4 IS, 24-70/2.8 IS, 70-200/4 IS, 70-200/2.8 IS etc...

Does that mean, I should just buy the D400 body, and purchase a lens like 17-85 IS separately?

Quote:

Originally Posted by navin

Light is an essential comodity to talking good photos. For this reason I would stick to zoom glass larger than 62mm, faster than f/4, and reputed to be sharp (see photo.net, dpreview,com, etc) or primes...and dont forget to get a good flash gun like the 430EX or 580EX as well.

I do hope to invest more in as I am learning, but for the starters, the budget wont allow for more adventure. I really want to learn, and I am drifting towards D400 as it will allow me to probably learn from its shortcomings and my mistakes.
Lowest Prices I am getting for D400 with kit lens is around 510 USD, while D400 with 17-85mm lens is coming around 1,125 USD, now thats about double the price.
Simply, I cant afford that right now, knowing I have just started. Am i thinking in the right direction or should I just stick to a decent P&S like S5 IS?

Samurai · 6th February 2008, 15:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by sids911

What exactly are the stops? What are primes?

Clearly you are not ready for dSLR. You should know these stuff like the back of your hand while contemplating a dSLR.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sids911

Simply, I cant afford that right now, knowing I have just started. Am i thinking in the right direction or should I just stick to a decent P&S like S5 IS?

Until you learn photography, you should stick with P&S. If not you won't produce better photographs with dSLR. These days you can get great results with P&S too.

Recently I switched to a professional dSLR. However, unless I really raise my level, I won't be able to produce any better shots than I did with my older dSLR.

kaushik_s · 6th February 2008, 16:02

@sids911, Just a small correction, it's not D400 but 400D and same for 450D.
Secondly, if you are serious about learning photography go for the DSLR with the kit lens itself.Yeah good glass will give you better contrast/color etc but that won't be visible to your newly trained eyes.
Why I'm saying DSLR, cause I know if you are interested in Photography then very soon you'd like to upgrade and that urge will be too much to handle

and you'll end up selling the P&S.So better invest in the DSLR itself if you are "INTERESTED and SERIOUS" about pursuing the hobby.I would like to re-iterate, if only you are serious about photography, which seems like the case.
Secondly, the DSLR will give you more options to be creative,yes the S5 IS also do provide Ap control/Tv control/Manual control etc. but to a certain extent.DSLR will provide more options.
Another point is that for low-light photography the noise will more with the S5 IS sensor.
Last but not the least is the word called "RAW" files.They are uncompressed files which are like digital negatives.Give you all the control to do the processing yourself.But ofcourse it'll come into picture when you've learned the first steps..
Once you learn the tricks and trade then you can decide on the next upgrade(no I'm not talking about the Camera but the Lenses) Go for the lenses depending on what you like to shoot more.That knowledge will come to you automatically after you no longer the beginner.
Regards,
Kaushik

vintagepoint5 · 6th February 2008, 16:09

Fujifilm F40 digital camera is also very good camera and have very attractive features.

It is has 8.3 mega pixels, 19 modes of photo, 2.5 view finder screen,
Multi face detection feature, red eye suppressio, macro, all the standard features. SD memory card of 2 GB, holds about 1000 snaps, video recording, etc. I am using it and it gives me high quality photos.
Can be connected to TV also to snaps or slides, etc.

5th February 2008, 16:00	#1801 (permalink)
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: New Delhi Posts: 12,062 View My Garage	I doubt anybody can come close to Fuji quality in P&S. Even Canon lags behind. That sensor of theirs is crazy stuff! Few years back when the powershot range(as well as Nikon/sony etc.,) were struggling to get clean ISO400 or even decent ISO 200, the tiny Fuji F10 could get amazing pictures at ISO 800 also) __________________ Reclaimed, wrung dry and recycled....!

6th February 2008, 00:25	#1807 (permalink)
nitroxx BHPian Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: MUM-DXB-mUM Posts: 809 View My Garage	heres the question. T 20 cybershot W 80 cybershot L 73 Samsung and any others that are in the same range. Which is the best bet? __________________ BBPIN - 21806530.

6th February 2008, 11:38	#1810 (permalink)
sids911 BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Indore/ Richmond VA Posts: 213 View My Garage	Looking to move upto a bridge or DSLR OK. I am planning to get a decent camera now. I have been a P&S guy till now, and want to move up to either a Bridge or a entry level DSLR. Primarily I will be shooting Landscapes, cars!, humans and some macros. The bridge camera I have finalized is S5-IS (With Wide Converter) and DSLR that I am thinking about is EOS 400D with 18-55mm kit lens. My budget is about 20k INR and will be getting a camera from US. The question is; does it makes sense to go for a Bridge Camera? 400D is a bit long in tooth but thats the one which fits in my budget, so is it still worth it, or should I collect some more money and go for 450D? Would LiveView really help for a P&S guy like me? I am just looking at best results I can get from a 20k camera. So, any other newer options from other companies are welcome. Thanks

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Xehaust BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Mumbai Posts: 505 View My Garage	Sorry to post again but cant edit the previous post. Details are : Cam-Phones are K810i and N73. Any others, please specify. Budget - Approx. Rs.10,000/- Like i said before, a little here and there is acceptable.

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Xehaust BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Mumbai Posts: 505 View My Garage	gkrishn, the question that im asking here is exactly that... Should i go in for a basic camera or a cam phone? Read my previous posts to see why i prefer a cam-phone. But if you still feel i should go in for a basic camera, then which? Or if a cam-phone, then which? Regards, Xehaust.

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