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Old 6th June 2009, 14:48   #361
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Overall budget of 30-40K.
Some top specs: Core 2 Quad (9xxx), 3-4 GB RAM (ddr3?), 1 TB HDD. Have Viewsonic 1945, keyboard, mouse, DVD writer. So I am basically looking at replacing the box. Can you suggest the best combination and brands in my budget (40K is reachable but 30-35K is comfortable). By the way I now get your G/p/q 45 based motherboard. I saw them on Intel site (each processor has compatible MBs).
DDR2 SetUp.
Processor : Q9400, Rs. 12550
Mobo : DQ45CB, Rs. 6625
RAM : DDR2, 800MHz,2 X 2GB, Rs. 2900
Cabinet : Iball Net-X, Rs. 1500 ( with 400W SMPS )
HDD : Seagate 1TB, Rs. 5200
Keyboard and Mouse : Logitech Combo, Rs. 750
Optical Media : LG DVD writer, Rs. 1200

Total : Rs. 30,725.

From this : Intel P45 Express Chipset - Overview, I can say that 45 series will support DDR3 memory, but not sure about this mobo.

However, DP45SG does support DDR3 RAM, and is a high end mobo ( by Indian standards ). But it costs Rs. 7.5K approx.

DDR3 SetUp.
Processor : Q9400, Rs. 12550
Mobo : DP45SG, Rs. 7500 ( from theitwares )
RAM : DDR3, 3 X 1GB, G-Skill, Rs. 6375
Cabinet : Iball Net-X, Rs. 1500 ( with 400W SMPS )
HDD : Seagate 1TB, Rs. 5200
Keyboard and Mouse : Logitech Combo, Rs. 750
Optical Media : LG DVD writer, Rs. 1200
Graphic card : Palit HD4670 ( HDMI and DP ), Rs. 4625
or,
Graphic card : Palit 9600GT, Rs, 5250


Total : 39700 with HD 4670 card.
40325 with 9600GT.

EDIT : If you are planning to go for DDR3 setup with 9600GT, you might has well have to spend for getting 500W SMPS. IIRC, 4670 does not external connection and max a slot can supply is 75W.

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Old 6th June 2009, 17:12   #362
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i built a cheap HTPC for less than 16k in all. not a very high funda configuration but it does the job: playing DVD's and high-def documentaries with surround sound downloaded from the net.

My config:
Core 2 Duo CPU E7400@2.80Ghz
memory 3 GB
320GB HDD Western Digital ( i have also slotted in my old 80GB seagate as the primary boot drive)
Graphics Card: NVIDIA 7600GT with 1GB onboard RAM and HDMI out.
Sound Card: Creative with 5.1 component out (couldnt find a card with a optical or coax out) bought for just 399 bucks off ebay.
Attractive cabinet which i actually got for cheap.
DVD Writer was pulled from an older PC.

Total cost came to slightly less than 16k.

This is now connected to my Sony LCD TV through an DVI-HDMI cable connected to my AV receiver which in turn in connected to the LCD. Works very well with full 1980x1080 resolution.

No problems playing any kind of movie and no more unsupported codec problems since whatever is required is downloaded. I use it to browse the net as well as play PC games like FS2004 and Train Simulator. FS is never gonna be the same again! in FS2004 I get 1630xXXX something with 32bit colors as compared to a max of 1280x1024 with 16 bits without the card.

In addition to the above, i bought a wireless keyboard and mouse combo in a deal from staples for 1899. With a 40" LCD i can browse the net comfortably from the bed 6+ft away

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Old 6th June 2009, 21:47   #363
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i built a cheap HTPC for less than 16k in all. not a very high funda configuration but it does the job: playing DVD's and high-def documentaries with surround sound downloaded from the net.

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Core 2 Duo CPU E7400@2.80Ghz
memory 3 GB
Which mobo you are using ?
The processor you are having has 1066MHZ FSb. With future Windows 7 and other linux os coming up, I think the faster fsb will help in all the tasks.

Theoretically there are less differences, but again practically the difference is quite a bit once you have more than reasonably heavy application.
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DDR3 SetUp.
Processor : Q9400, Rs. 12550
Mobo : DP45SG, Rs. 7500 ( from theitwares )
RAM : DDR3, 3 X 1GB, G-Skill, Rs. 6375
Cabinet : Iball Net-X, Rs. 1500 ( with 400W SMPS )
HDD : Seagate 1TB, Rs. 5200
Keyboard and Mouse : Logitech Combo, Rs. 750
Optical Media : LG DVD writer, Rs. 1200
Graphic card : Palit HD4670 ( HDMI and DP ), Rs. 4625
or,
Graphic card : Palit 9600GT, Rs, 5250
Thanks a lot. I think I can go with this. Some costs are avoidable because I have these: wireless keyboard and mouse, DVD writer, Nvidia 256 MB GE Force, 500GB HDD (so can go for +500 GB at 2.7K instead of +1 TB at 5.2 TB).

One thing you should keep in mind. I get the urge to replace after every 2 yrs or so even if my PC is working fine. Perhaps I could spend another 2K on Q9550. I can spend extra on this and also a good MB as you suggested. Just let me know which would be a good MB in price of 5-10K (for 9450/9550/9650. Absolutely final piece of advice.
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Thanks for the suggestion guys!

I finally increased my budget to 25k , and after getting 2k + on my Athlon 2000 here's the final config.

Phenom II x4 940
Asus M3A78-EM
Seagate 32mb buffer 7200 rpm 1TB sata disk
2+1 GB DDR2 800 MHz transcend RAM
VIP 500W gold SMPS
UMAX Samurai Cabinet
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Thanks for the suggestion guys!

I finally increased my budget to 25k , and after getting 2k + on my Athlon 2000 here's the final config.

Phenom II x4 940
Asus M3A78-EM
Seagate 32mb buffer 7200 rpm 1TB sata disk
2+1 GB DDR2 800 MHz transcend RAM
VIP 500W gold SMPS
UMAX Samurai Cabinet
Try to increase the budget a bit and get yourself Corsair VX450 PSU instead of the VIP one.From what I have heard these are not made by L&C anymore and aren't that great in terms of quality compared to the old ones.
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Thanks a lot. I think I can go with this. Some costs are avoidable because I have these: wireless keyboard and mouse, DVD writer, Nvidia 256 MB GE Force, 500GB HDD (so can go for +500 GB at 2.7K instead of +1 TB at 5.2 TB).

One thing you should keep in mind. I get the urge to replace after every 2 yrs or so even if my PC is working fine. Perhaps I could spend another 2K on Q9550. I can spend extra on this and also a good MB as you suggested. Just let me know which would be a good MB in price of 5-10K (for 9450/9550/9650. Absolutely final piece of advice.
Go for the Gigabyte P45UD3P.Superb board. Much better than all the Intel original boards IMHO. Should be around 9-10k which is within your budget.

Come to think of it, you are ready to spend ~ 25-26K for the board and CPU, then why go for the Yorkfield chips ? Makes sense to go for i7 since the pricing works out slightly more but the difference between these 2 is big.

Think about it,
Intel Core i7 920 - 15.5k
MSI X58 Pro - ~ 13.5k
3 x 2GB DDR3 = get this from US, will be much cheaper.Crucial DDR3 6GB Kit

Think about this, wil be much more powerful and would be able to do everything you can think of. Makes more sense according to me even though it would a few grands more.
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Go for the Gigabyte P45UD3P.Superb board. Much better than all the Intel original boards IMHO. Should be around 9-10k which is within your budget.

Come to think of it, you are ready to spend ~ 25-26K for the board and CPU, then why go for the Yorkfield chips ? Makes sense to go for i7 since the pricing works out slightly more but the difference between these 2 is big.

Think about it,
Intel Core i7 920 - 15.5k
MSI X58 Pro - ~ 13.5k
3 x 2GB DDR3 = get this from US, will be much cheaper.Crucial DDR3 6GB Kit
You are 100% correct. After every 3-4K, things improve. The point is even Core2Quad 9450/9550/9650 is a stretch for me (+5K more than I budgeted). I can spend 3-4K more and get your recommended spec, and spend another small amount and get even better. There is no end to it. For a person who really does not need even a Quad (but is a compulsive upgrader), perhaps the Quad 9450/9550/9650 is really the tops for me. However, I have read that i7 920 is even better and perhaps i7 940/950 etc are even better. Let me see how much I have to finally pay. Then will go for Quad/i7

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About mobo : I will suggest DP45SG. Friend bought yesterday. Saw it today afternoon. Its good board and as with intel mobos, is slightly slower than competition, but very stable and reliable.

About the Core i7 set up,
Intel core i7 920 : Rs. 15000
Mobo : MSI X58 Pro : Rs. 13200
RAM : DDR3, 3 X 1GB, G-Skill, Rs. 6375

Total for Mobo+Ram+Processor : Rs. 34575.

This is the max budget you can comfortably reach.
With other peripherals the price will go up.

Cabinet : Iball Net-X, Rs. 1500 ( with 400W SMPS )
HDD : Seagate 1TB, Rs. 5200
Keyboard and Mouse : Logitech Combo, Rs. 750
Optical Media : LG DVD writer, Rs. 1200
Graphic card : Palit HD4670 ( HDMI and DP ), Rs. 4625
or,
Graphic card : Palit 9600GT, Rs, 5250.

Total Core i7 + HD 4670 : Rs. 47850
Total Core i7 + 9600GT : Rs. 48475

If you are getting the mobo for 10K, then also you have to spend around 5.5-5.75K more for Core i7 setup.
Q9400 has TDP of 95W and Core i7 has 130W. You might need better SMPS if you go in for 9600 as 9600 eats almost 200W.

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You are 100% correct. After every 3-4K, things improve. The point is even Core2Quad 9450/9550/9650 is a stretch for me (+5K more than I budgeted). I can spend 3-4K more and get your recommended spec, and spend another small amount and get even better. There is no end to it. For a person who really does not need even a Quad (but is a compulsive upgrader), perhaps the Quad 9450/9550/9650 is really the tops for me. However, I have read that i7 920 is even better and perhaps i7 940/950 etc are even better. Let me see how much I have to finally pay. Then will go for Quad/i7
Well, to be honest you don't need to go for the 940/950 models.Its not wise. Buy 920 and a good board which can Overclock a bit.So whenever you want, you cn bump the speed a bit and be happy.No need to pay the premium for 940/950.
I can understand the increasing budget thing BUT,trust me,the i7 is a different beast altogether and believe me,the premium you are paying over Q9xxx based combo is actually peanuts IMHO for the kind of performance you get.
On the other hand if you feel a fast dual core would suffice your needs, then buy E7400 or something like that with a good board like Gigabyte P54 UD3P and overclock it to 3.6 or so.This way you save money and have a fast system.
With i7, you would be more future proof.I don't see a need to upgrade an i7 setup for the next 3-4 years easily.The kind of insane processing power it has is not funny.

Here is what I am thinking of buying,

Intel Core i7 920 (D0 Stepping)
Gigabyte EX58 UD5 / EVGA X58 SLI
1GB x 6 Crucial DDR3 1333Mhz (Micron D9JNM chips)
Corsair VX450W PSU (If it can handle or else, my beloved Seventeam ST600-EAD,my trusted champion.lol)
ATI Radeon 4770 x 2
WD 1TB x 2
WD 500GB x 1 (OS Drive)

That's about it. Not that this upgrade is needed, just that I heve been controlling myself far too long for this upgrade,can't wait anymore.
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Dear aaggoswami and amey,

Thanks a lot for your inputs. I really appreciate the time you have spent on helping me out. I shall keep this as the standard when I buy it (perhaps this week). Based on my budget, I shall go for Quad Core or i7. If i7, I will skimp on some other things (example 1 TB HDD) and upgrade later after a few months. I already have a 500GB Seagate HDD as spare. Also a NVIDIA 256MB graphic card.

AFAIK, with your reco. on i7, I need to spend around 33-35K on i7, MB, RAM, 3K on 500 GB+2-3K on cabinet/others. What about LAN card, etc. I can see total spend of around 40K on i7 and perhaps 32-35K on Quad 9450/9550/9650.

Perhaps an i7 920 could make sense, since even after 2-3 years, I will still hopefully be in the middle of the curve. I can see the sense of spending 3-4K extra on i7 (after all, the more the spend, the better the PC!!!!).

I shall post my quote here for your approval or PM if that is fine with both of you.

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I saw a fantastic cabinet which is not only small but doesnt look like a PC cabinet at all, more like an mini-AV receiver. However on the downside, I think the cabinet alone costs around 14k! company name is Aztec something and can be sourced from Chennai.

The best part of the cabinet was it had very quiet fans which is possibly the worst part of using a regular cabinet like i did. The fans on my current cabinet are very noisy.
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Perhaps an i7 920 could make sense, since even after 2-3 years, I will still hopefully be in the middle of the curve. I can see the sense of spending 3-4K extra on i7 (after all, the more the spend, the better the PC!!!!).

I shall post my quote here for your approval or PM if that is fine with both of you.
Core i7 makes sense and its nothing short of high speed daemon. Its worth the cash if you are willing to spend somewhat more.

PM is of course OK with me!

@amey : OC is something I love and D0 has more potential than C0. 920 on stock cooler takes around 400MHz with ease. Never tried beyond that.
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I can see this cost for the box (approx with overall figure +/-5%):
i7 920: 14K, MB: Gigabyte 14K (MSI cost seems too high at >20K); RAM 3GB DDR3 G-Skill: 6K, 500 MB HDD: 3K, Box+others: 3K. Total ~40K. What else should I buy for the box (please be reasonable about quality). I have LCD, Keyboard, mouse, UPS, webcams etc. What about USB port (very imp.) and wireless LAN etc.
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I can see this cost for the box (approx with overall figure +/-5%):

1) MB: Gigabyte 14K (MSI cost seems too high at >20K); RAM 3GB DDR3 G-Skill: 6K, 500 MB HDD: 3K,
2) Box+others: 3K. Total ~40K. What else should I buy for the box (please be reasonable about quality).
3)What about USB port (very imp.) and wireless LAN etc.
1) MSI X58 Pro will cost around 13-13.5K. Its entry level board for X58/1366 platform.

2) Will this include SMPS ? Considering this set up, I think you will need around 500W SMPS.
Cooler Master Extreme Power 500W will cost around 2.8K.
There is another range from cooler master called Real Power, but that is more expensive.
Other is Tagan. Friend has one Bz500. Works well, no issues, but again it will cost around Rs 4.5K

3) Sorry, but can you elaborate ? I think that X58 borad will not have wireless onboard LAN. You will have to put in wireless card for LAN.
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