Graphics problem - Team-BHP

revvedup · 12th March 2008, 20:24

Of late my computer has been acting up showing green ,pink and balck coloured line on the screen similar to the screenshot I have attached below. After such lines appear the computer hangs for a moment and the display goes off after a beep only to return again, this keeps on reapeating untill the computer finally restarts again.

The problem occurs only when the NVIDIA drivers are installed and does not occur either in safe mode or when I run the computer normally without the NVIDIA drivers,i.e, when windows uses its own drivers. I have tried reinstalling the NVIDIA drivers but the problem still continued, even after I tried different NVIDIA driver versions ( 93.71, 94.24 ,163.71 and 169.21 ). None of these divers are working even though they are all comapritable with my Graphics Card, a NVIDIA 6200.

ramie2400 · 12th March 2008, 20:35

I had the similar problem with my Nvidia Graphic card,i used to get lines and then used to vanish,again when i used to play NFS UG2 i used to get flickering in the screen like you get when your cell phone is near the monitor,then i could see broken graphics as if someone have crushed a paper from centre.

As it was in warranty the dealer replaced the card and now its super.
I was using Nvidia 5700LE,now i am using Radeon X1300 PCIE.

gkrishn · 12th March 2008, 20:57

Most probably its a graphics card issue. Might have to replace...
If you have another monitor at disposal, try connecting it to see if this happens in that monitor also.

revvedup · 12th March 2008, 21:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by gkrishn

Most probably its a graphics card issue. Might have to replace...
If you have another monitor at disposal, try connecting it to see if this happens in that monitor also.

But if the Graphic card or monitor is at fault, then why is the computer running fine without the drivers in safe mode ? Still l have another card, will check with that. But IMHO, it appears to be a software problem rather than a hardware one. Guys, please advise.

P.S- Just noticed, the screenshot I have posted is a liltle low on sharpness, probably due to the aggresive resize from the 1440 x 900, please note the display is completely normal except those lines.

Ripper · 12th March 2008, 22:15

I used to face this prob on My old Pentium 3. This seem to be a problem with the RAM, Just remove it from the slot, clean the contacts with an eraser, blow into the slot and put it back in. This should solve the problem. Hope this helps!

gkrishn · 13th March 2008, 00:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by revvedup

But if the Graphic card or monitor is at fault, then why is the computer running fine without the drivers in safe mode ?

I felt it must be gfx card issue because, i have seen similar issue once with an ATI card. And it was the card's fault.

And since you have tried different driver versions i excluded the SW here. Next step would be to try to isolate HWs one by one. gfx card, monitor, and then as ripper said memory also... try replacing one by one.

In safe mode and when driver is not loaded, the gfx mode is default vga mode. And the card might not be stressed at all... since it is working at a much lower resolution.

greenhorn · 13th March 2008, 01:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by revvedup

But if the Graphic card or monitor is at fault, then why is the computer running fine without the drivers in safe mode ? Still l have another card, will check with that. But IMHO, it appears to be a software problem rather than a hardware one.

I'll tell you why it might be a hardware problem. when you're running in safe mode, most of the jobs which are supposed to be done by the 'card is done by the cpu , since the drivers are disabled.

when the drivers are enabled, the cpu offloads these tasks to the GPU, and thats when its hardware issues come to light.

Ripper's post is also valid. Dying/dead ram also manifests problems like these. Do you have two sticks of RAM? try using each once.otherwise, try to get a good stick of ram from elsewhere to confirm

revvedup · 13th March 2008, 04:46

Thanks Gkrishn,greenhorn and ripper

it was indeed a Graphics card problem. Now with my vintage NVIDIA GEforce MX 100/200 card slotted in, there are no problems. Although I forgot to mention that the power supply I am running isn't what you would call avant grade with a mentioned total load of 130W @5.5 +3.3 V and a maximum of 250 watts, moreover it had recently stopped working only to be rectified later after a capacitor change. Do you think this was the cause of the earlier problem or is there a problem with the card itself ? If yes which power supply should I buy to replace it ?
here's my computer config

Intel Pentium 4 @2.8 GHZ with hyperthreading technology with FSB bus of 800 mhz
Intel 865GBF orignal motherboard
Corsair Value select Dual channe1gb@800 Mhz ram
Nvidia Geforce 6200 @256 mb ddr graphics card
Creative audigy 2 Value Sound card

gkrishn · 13th March 2008, 07:43

Amey suggested this else where in this forum...

Quote:

Corsair VX450W PSU = 4k Rs

greenhorn · 13th March 2008, 07:44

I wouldnt use a refurb PSU- they dont last long, and might kill something else

@ gkrishn= revvedup is running a rather ordinary setup. a generic 400W psu ( cost <1k) with 17+ amps on the 12V should be fine

low_bass_makker · 13th March 2008, 11:24

Cooler master generic power supply comes for Rs 1k I would suggest to atleast go for that.

revvedup · 13th March 2008, 11:24

So do you think that the PSU could be the culprit or is it the card itself ? I had actually bought a 450W odessey PSU but it was not comparitable with my motherboard. Which brand's PSU would you recmmend ?

tsk1979 · 13th March 2008, 12:04

The only thing that changed at your end is driver. So the problem could be software, not hardware. From your post it appears everything was working fine before you upgraded the drivers.

I don't know how but I think you somehow enabled show GPU load balancing.

Go to NVIDIA control panel, and remove the "Show GPU load balancing" option.

If thats not the problem, download drivers from NVIDIA site and not from their partners
Drivers - Download NVIDIA Drivers

greenhorn · 16th March 2008, 16:05

revvedup, if by 'not compatible ' you mean that mobo has a 20 pin socket, and the psu is a 24 pin, you can still connect it

tsk, the load balancing line would look like the green lines in this pic
http://www.nvnews.net/reviews/msi_ge...cing_afr_s.jpg
but yes, it could still be a driver issue , since he doesn't have the issue in safe mode.

tsk1979 · 16th March 2008, 16:16

I spoke to him and it appears the problem first came when he hooked a 250W or lesser power supply.
Have asked him to get a 450W one and tell if the problem persists.

12th March 2008, 20:24	#1 (permalink)
revvedup BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Delhi Posts: 203	Graphics problem Of late my computer has been acting up showing green ,pink and balck coloured line on the screen similar to the screenshot I have attached below. After such lines appear the computer hangs for a moment and the display goes off after a beep only to return again, this keeps on reapeating untill the computer finally restarts again. The problem occurs only when the NVIDIA drivers are installed and does not occur either in safe mode or when I run the computer normally without the NVIDIA drivers,i.e, when windows uses its own drivers. I have tried reinstalling the NVIDIA drivers but the problem still continued, even after I tried different NVIDIA driver versions ( 93.71, 94.24 ,163.71 and 169.21 ). None of these divers are working even though they are all comapritable with my Graphics Card, a NVIDIA 6200. Attached Images __________________ The journey is more important than the destination Living life@8500 RPM

12th March 2008, 20:35	#2 (permalink)
ramie2400 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 1,206	I had the similar problem with my Nvidia Graphic card,i used to get lines and then used to vanish,again when i used to play NFS UG2 i used to get flickering in the screen like you get when your cell phone is near the monitor,then i could see broken graphics as if someone have crushed a paper from centre. As it was in warranty the dealer replaced the card and now its super. I was using Nvidia 5700LE,now i am using Radeon X1300 PCIE. __________________ Honda ( I V I ( 1.8 M/T V Getz Prime 1.3GLS *(ICED)* Graduated from "University of Error's"

12th March 2008, 20:57	#3 (permalink)
gkrishn BHPian Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 418 View My Garage	Most probably its a graphics card issue. Might have to replace... If you have another monitor at disposal, try connecting it to see if this happens in that monitor also. __________________ In the Indian system of education, it is only a technique of cramming, retrieving and reproducing.

13th March 2008, 04:46	#8 (permalink)
revvedup BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Delhi Posts: 203	Thanks Gkrishn,greenhorn and ripper it was indeed a Graphics card problem. Now with my vintage NVIDIA GEforce MX 100/200 card slotted in, there are no problems. Although I forgot to mention that the power supply I am running isn't what you would call avant grade with a mentioned total load of 130W @5.5 +3.3 V and a maximum of 250 watts, moreover it had recently stopped working only to be rectified later after a capacitor change. Do you think this was the cause of the earlier problem or is there a problem with the card itself ? If yes which power supply should I buy to replace it ? here's my computer config Intel Pentium 4 @2.8 GHZ with hyperthreading technology with FSB bus of 800 mhz Intel 865GBF orignal motherboard Corsair Value select Dual channe1gb@800 Mhz ram Nvidia Geforce 6200 @256 mb ddr graphics card Creative audigy 2 Value Sound card __________________ The journey is more important than the destination Living life@8500 RPM

13th March 2008, 07:44	#10 (permalink)
greenhorn BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Trivandrum Posts: 836 View My Garage	I wouldnt use a refurb PSU- they dont last long, and might kill something else @ gkrishn= revvedup is running a rather ordinary setup. a generic 400W psu ( cost <1k) with 17+ amps on the 12V should be fine __________________ 2007 Indica DLG My next Truck will be a Safari! Last edited by greenhorn : 13th March 2008 at 07:47.

12th March 2008, 22:15	#5 (permalink)
Ripper Newbie Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Mumbai Posts: 39	I used to face this prob on My old Pentium 3. This seem to be a problem with the RAM, Just remove it from the slot, clean the contacts with an eraser, blow into the slot and put it back in. This should solve the problem. Hope this helps!

13th March 2008, 11:24	#11 (permalink)
low_bass_makker Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Faridabad Posts: 5,748 View My Garage	Cooler master generic power supply comes for Rs 1k I would suggest to atleast go for that. __________________ Looks Can Be Deceiving

13th March 2008, 11:24	#12 (permalink)
revvedup BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Delhi Posts: 203	So do you think that the PSU could be the culprit or is it the card itself ? I had actually bought a 450W odessey PSU but it was not comparitable with my motherboard. Which brand's PSU would you recmmend ? __________________ The journey is more important than the destination Living life@8500 RPM

13th March 2008, 12:04	#13 (permalink)
tsk1979 Team-BHP Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Noida, New Delhi Posts: 8,041 View My Garage	The only thing that changed at your end is driver. So the problem could be software, not hardware. From your post it appears everything was working fine before you upgraded the drivers. I don't know how but I think you somehow enabled show GPU load balancing. Go to NVIDIA control panel, and remove the "Show GPU load balancing" option. If thats not the problem, download drivers from NVIDIA site and not from their partners Drivers - Download NVIDIA Drivers __________________ .--- ..- ... - - .-- --- -- --- .-. . -.. .- -.-- ... - --- --. --- !!

16th March 2008, 16:05	#14 (permalink)
greenhorn BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Trivandrum Posts: 836 View My Garage	revvedup, if by 'not compatible ' you mean that mobo has a 20 pin socket, and the psu is a 24 pin, you can still connect it tsk, the load balancing line would look like the green lines in this pic http://www.nvnews.net/reviews/msi_ge...cing_afr_s.jpg but yes, it could still be a driver issue , since he doesn't have the issue in safe mode. __________________ 2007 Indica DLG My next Truck will be a Safari! Last edited by greenhorn : 16th March 2008 at 16:11.

16th March 2008, 16:16	#15 (permalink)
tsk1979 Team-BHP Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Noida, New Delhi Posts: 8,041 View My Garage	I spoke to him and it appears the problem first came when he hooked a 250W or lesser power supply. Have asked him to get a 450W one and tell if the problem persists. __________________ .--- ..- ... - - .-- --- -- --- .-. . -.. .- -.-- ... - --- --. --- !!

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