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Old 18th March 2009, 14:40   #16
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Behold the power Team-BHP!

Today I received an apology email from Mr.Arvind Naik offering to fix the whole situation and he started picking up calls from my Accountant. While I was wondering about this sudden change of heart, I get a call from Oracle, from the lady in charge of Oracle Education in India.

Once I retold the whole story, she told me that ERPGuru was indeed the only authorised Education center for PeopleSoft until Jan 2009. Right now they are up for renewal. After hearing about this case, she has put pressure on ERPGuru to make amends. Hence the sudden change of heart.

And yes, she heard this story from Team-BHP. Not directly, but somebody told her what happened. Then she checked my complaint and got in touch.

Now that Oracle is handling the matter directly, I expect a quick resolution. My sincere thanks to all of you, and especially to those who PMed with various suggestions and offers of help. Despite knowing the power of our large community, I can't help being amazed at it once again.

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Old 18th March 2009, 14:49   #17
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Thats a great news. Ummm, "Team" always wins
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Great news Samurai, hope you get your dues back.
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Old 18th March 2009, 18:12   #19
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If an IT veteran can get conned like this, whats to say for the rest of us. Glad that it got sorted out eventually (and pretty soon) Samurai. Good on the proactiveness of the Oracle lady.

Of course, the fact that googling Aravind Nayak has this thread on the first page of results couldn't have helped his case either. Even though the google search was conducted from out of India!! He's just a part of the unscrupulous group of Indian businessmen who seem to disappear into thin air when its payment day.
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Behold the power Team-BHP!

Today I received an apology email from Mr.Aravind Naik offering to fix the whole situation and he started picking up calls from my Accountant. While I was wondering about this sudden change of heart, I get a call from Oracle, from the lady in charge of Oracle Education in India.

Once I retold the whole story, she told me that ERPGuru was indeed the only authorised Education center for PeopleSoft until Jan 2009. Right now they are up for renewal. After hearing about this case, she has put pressure on ERPGuru to make amends. Hence the sudden change of heart.

And yes, she heard this story from Team-BHP. Not directly, but somebody told her what happened. Then she checked my complaint and got in touch.

Now that Oracle is handling the matter directly, I expect a quick resolution. My sincere thanks to all of you, and especially to those who PMed with various suggestions and offers of help. Despite knowing the power of our large community, I can't help being amazed at it once again.
Great news, Samurai! I'm glad it ended that way. I was thinking of PM'ng Huntrz, who works for Oracle.

Surprisingly I was not aware of that institute and its tie up with Oracle. In any case, the rate they were charging was daylight robbery. By my experience, PeopleSoft certification is a big farce , right from the time it was not even under Oracle umbrella. I've interviewed scores of certified guys and did not find them suitable for tech jobs. Even most US companies evaluate candidates by their knowledge rather than on Peoplesoft certification.
There are other institutes that offer courses at a far cheaper rate. Recently our team got trained by an institute called CollSoll . We paid around 45K for Advanced Tools training (AE, CI, App Packages and Integration Broker) , apart from Financials functional overview.
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Old 18th March 2009, 20:39   #21
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Truth always wins and your story proved this theory once again.
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Of course, the fact that googling Aravind Nayak has this thread on the first page of results couldn't have helped his case either. Even though the google search was conducted from out of India!! He's just a part of the unscrupulous group of Indian businessmen who seem to disappear into thin air when its payment day.
SHouldn't it be Aravind Naik? or Is it Arvind Naik? Hail Team-BHP !!! Hail Google !!
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Bouncing cheques are criminal offences. Please meet a lawyer, send a notice (you do not have much time, since I presume at least one week has elapsed now). What was the reason for "bouncing"? (You will get a cheque from the cheque issuer's bank through your bank.)

If reason is "no funds", the offence is Section 138, Negotiable Instruments Act.

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Backseat bhai, i am an unofficial guru of 138 NI act, Samu bhai does not have any proof in writing of the refund,

if he files a case, Mr, Naik (supposedly) says he was co-erced to signing the cheque, Mr Samurai will have hell to pay, its not very simple without the presence of a signed letter & contract sheet.

Just FYI i complement and join you in sharing your angst against such practices, my first response would be the same as yours, however the almightly Magistrates courts do not work like that

Kya karein ? duty hai bhai.
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Old 19th March 2009, 23:18   #24
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samurai i mailed oracle.

this the part of mail. It bounced several timeas their mailserver felt it was a spam. called them they gave me a different mail address and asked me to edit the subject line and make it little bit not like spam.

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Dear Sir/Madam,
One of our members, is facing this serious problem.
Please go through this as your reputation is tainted by such company.

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/gadget...r-erpguru.html

The so called Oralcle approved centre
PeopleSoft Training, JD Edwards Training Jobs, Consulting - ERP Guru

Looking forward to a speedy results.

Regards

kenden

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if he files a case, Mr, Naik (supposedly) says he was co-erced to signing the cheque, Mr Samurai will have hell to pay, its not very simple without the presence of a signed letter & contract sheet.

Just FYI i complement and join you in sharing your angst against such practices, my first response would be the same as yours, however the almightly Magistrates courts do not work like that
Well, there are two aspects to this - one is the cheque bouncing; and second is being certified Oracle training center. When I posted in the previous page, the information available was that they are not an Oracle training center. Not being an ATC and then claiming to be one is cheating.

And not every contract is required to be in writing. That is the law. AFAICT, courts do distinguish between the different transactions, which to a layman look similar (eg. loan by a money lender will be treated differently from a loan by a relative, etc).

And for all criminal offences, you can file a "private complaint". There is no need for an FIR.
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Old 9th April 2009, 19:50   #26
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Now to conclude the story...

On 18th March 2009, Mr.Arvind Naik under Oracle's gun emailed me with three promises:
  1. INR 25,000 will be deposited to your account on Monday, 23rd March 2009.
  2. We will provide oracle training on integration tools to the candidate without any additional cost to you (We will bear the travel and accommodation also)
  3. Obviously training material and certificate will come from Oracle.
I was skeptical about these promises, and rightly so.

Was the money deposited on the promised day? Nope. Instead it was the second chapter of the same saga. Then we were asked to submit the cheque again, which promptly bounced for the 4th time. However, this time we had an extra player in the ring, an Oracle India official. After a few false claims of wiring the money, he was finally forced to send it for real. We got the money back on 6th April 2009.

Oracle India official did a stellar job of relentlessly pursuing the case and ensured that Oracle's name was cleared. I salute their professionalism and the sense of duty towards the customer. Courts would have taken months or even years to resolve this case.

Regarding the remaining promises, I am not holding my breath. I would not trust Arvind Naik or ERPGuru to provide us any more services, even if it is for free. I can't go through one more round of cheque bouncing saga after submitting the travel/hotel bills. Besides, I can't expect Oracle to provide training material and certificate for free.

Therefore, I consider this case to be resolved to my satisfaction, thanks to Oracle India.
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Good to know this, Samurai. So all's well that ends well.
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samurai i mailed oracle.

this the part of mail. It bounced several timeas their mailserver felt it was a spam. called them they gave me a different mail address and asked me to edit the subject line and make it little bit not like spam.
SirAlec, that was a wonderful thing you did. Thanks to your effort Samurai's issue got resolved. Great job.
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SirAlec wasn't alone. There were couple of other members who used their relationship with Oracle/PeopleSoft. So, thanks to everybody.
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SirAlec wasn't alone. There were couple of other members who used their relationship with Oracle/PeopleSoft. So, thanks to everybody.
Ofcourse it was a team effort.! hail tbhp!

i wish similar things happen in case of harish and his ordeal with Skoda.
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