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Old 26th February 2010, 20:58   #5926
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@jkdas Now I am myself confused. The Nokia 5230 home page mentions AGPS only. But gsmarena says it has both GPS and AGPS. Google didn't help me find whether it has a GPS chipset.
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Old 26th February 2010, 23:49   #5927
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@jkdas Now I am myself confused. The Nokia 5230 home page mentions AGPS only. But gsmarena says it has both GPS and AGPS. Google didn't help me find whether it has a GPS chipset.
I have the 5230. Although I have not used the GPS features too much, in the settings I can see selections for AGPS, Integrated GPS, Bluetooth GPS and Network Based.

I have no idea what the last 2 mean. By default all options except bluetooth GPS are enabled.
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Strange. One wouldn't see AGPS in a GPS device selection setting, since it is only a communication extension to a built-in GPS chip-set. While starting, the phone GPS handler software contacts the Assistance Server to get more data based on the user's cellphone location, so that GPS satellite fix is easier. This is a short burst of data over GPRS (or wi-fi if that is enabled and available) when GPS starts. One can switch this off, and if the phone is in signal-shadow, no assistance is received.

Integrated GPS = in-built GPS
Bluetooth GPS = external GPS receiver connected via Bluetooth
Network-based GPS = external GPS receiver connected over Ethernet (wi-fi or wired)
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Old 27th February 2010, 11:32   #5929
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techno; they dont sell 5230 anymore nor do Nokia distribute this now.
5233 cost 7k something

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@jkdas Now I am myself confused. The Nokia 5230 home page mentions AGPS only. But gsmarena says it has both GPS and AGPS. Google didn't help me find whether it has a GPS chipset.
Its a very confusing this; most dont check this.

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Following are the GPS phones in 10-15K bracket:

Acer X960
HTC Tatoo
Acer E101
LG GT505
Asus 552W
Nokia 5800 : I have this phone
Samsung Corby Pro
Samsung Omnia B7320
Me too have this now Got the red one. Pretty happy at the package. Was a bit worried about smsing part; got used to it pretty fast. Bought it for 13,400. Nokia warranty for an year and then PlanetM warranty for another.

Used GPS today morning; was surprised at the speed bro took the Safari to !

Will post pix of 5800 vs Satio vs E51 by next week. May put up E51 for sale soon.

Neo; any pointers/help with how efficiently I can use the GPS?
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Old 27th February 2010, 11:48   #5930
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Strange. One wouldn't see AGPS in a GPS device selection setting, since it is only a communication extension to a built-in GPS chip-set. While starting, the phone GPS handler software contacts the Assistance Server to get more data based on the user's cellphone location, so that GPS satellite fix is easier. This is a short burst of data over GPRS (or wi-fi if that is enabled and available) when GPS starts. One can switch this off, and if the phone is in signal-shadow, no assistance is received.

Integrated GPS = in-built GPS
Bluetooth GPS = external GPS receiver connected via Bluetooth
Network-based GPS = external GPS receiver connected over Ethernet (wi-fi or wired)
The standards defined A-GPS (used for emergency services) is lot different. The core network requests the device to be located and the radio controllers query the device, gets rough co-ordinates and connects to location center and pushes the assistance data to the mobile. It then gets back the accurate position and relays it back. It is all done over radio and you dont need Wifi or GPRS for this. You can have mobile assisted or mobile based (without and with GPS receiver in the mobile).
Dont know how the other A-GPS that you have mentioned works. Have not worked on mobile side. If the phone connects using GPRS then it cannot be as fast as what mentioned above.

By the way, most phones (maybe all) sold in U.S might have a GPS receiver inside with access to other programs turned off since 911 location fixing could be mandatory.

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How to check if your Nokai mobile has GPS:

Go to Free Navigation on your Nokia. Forever - Ovi Maps - Downloads

5230 has GPS ( also E52,E55 etc).
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I am a lazy bugger, hence I write my initial impressions about my new (and newly launched) Samsung Galaxy Lite/Spica i5700 here. In points!

Don't mind if the order of points is random and haphazard. I type as I recall, so if it looks like I am rambling, sorry :cool2:

--Vibrant screen. Colours are well saturated, with no 'exaggeration' seen in AMOLEDs. Thus, the TFT on this phone produces blacks in a very convincing manner, and does other colours just fine. Screen beats that of the iPhone 3GS by a long margin in this. Standby screen (lock screen) shows time, date, signal strength, 3G strength, wi fi strength, bluetooth status, gps status, operator name and charging status (charging/connect charger/fully charged) CRAZY information in one button press!!!

--Touch Response: If the iPhone was 10/10, then the Spica can get 8/10, since it's highly responsive, but sometimes it fails to register a touch, maybe one out of 20 times. Which can be annoying when you are showing the phone to someone who thinks the iPhone is the holy grail, and the screen response is just perfect till you take it out from the pocket and show it to them. :@

-- Proximity Sensor: Samsung forgot this one. HOW, I can't believe!! My chin dials numbers of people I don't want to, while I talk to someone else. HIGHLY undesirable. The hardware lock button comes to the rescue, but one wouldn't want to lock his screen every time he picks up a call.

--Typing: There are 3 typing options. One is the standard no-frills Android keyboard (which i prefer), the Samsung keyboard (which has added features, but the touch response and the auto correct just do not cut it) and the Hindi Keyboard (which i frankly don't care much about).
A point to note is that the emoticon button on the standard keyboard is a good added feature and is missed dearly on traditional QWERTY phones. Another good feature is how there is a '.com' button on the keyboard when you are in the browser. There is also a good touch response, and the auto correct works very well in the Android Keyboard. You can also store a list of words you use regularly, but are not there in the dictionary, like Indian cuss words :P which appear just fine when typed, if stored.
One thing they haven't addressed is the LAG one sees when in landscape mode with the Android keyboard. Sad waste of such large buttons. It would have been perfect to have that. ALSO, I would have also preferred the T9 way of input (ABC on 1, DEF on 2... so on and so forth) seen on Candy bar phones, as I somehow (personally) can type faster with that kind of keyboard.

--Calls: The earpiece on the phone is loud. Reception is one thing I would like to complement. Generally, a phone with so many features would be excused for slightly average (or below, sometimes) call quality/reception/signal strength, but Samsung (and Google) has worked SO hard on this aspect that it has to be complemented. I always have network where my E Series phones gave up. ALSO, of note is the ultra song wi fi antenna. I never got more then one bar of Wi Fi in my E Series and my Ipod Touch in the loo, but now I get 3 out of 4 bars with this phone, which is highly convenient. The phone switches to 3G/EDGE when the screen is turned off, and the Wi Fi comes on when the screen is turned on. This is a battery saving feature and is appreciated.

--The Switcher application with the phone is also a boon, since GPS, Wi Fi, Bluetooth and Auto Sync are embedded into it. Of note is the Wi fi and Auto sync part. You can turn wi fi on and off with the switcher, and the Auto sync part keeps your phone 'quiet' at night and doesn't get push mails.

--BOON: The Push mail feature on the Spica is absolutely UNPARALLELED. I get push mail from my Gmail account as fast as it comes, and blackberries are left behind in the speed with which the email comes. The Gmail client on the phone is also very convenient and helps sort mail easily. Very convenient, very fast and kicks a BB's *** real bad.

--GTalk: who needs BBM, when there is GTalk. The background data feature must be turned on for this (yes, android allows you to choose that too) Once Gtalk is on, you have all your friends always connected to you. IM away to glory. YES, it works very very well. And fast.

--Multitasking: BOON time again. The Android OS alongwith the STARTLINGLY fast 800 mhz processor, alongwith the 128 mb of RAM (who said that's less????) has NEVER, I repeat, NEVER shown a lag. ANY number of applications running, and this beefy processor and lean mean OS shines. Like crazy! Google Maps, Google Talk, Messaging, Google mail, Gallery and Browser are open on it as we speak. Fantastic!! Works well. In the middle of anything you are doing, if there is a push email or an sms, you just need to pull down a window on top. Finish off that, click the back button and VOILA, you are multi tasking heavily. Stellar function, that!!

--Gallery: Needs slight upgrade. I have 1250+ photos on my card, hence it takes a while to load thumbnails. That shouldn't happen! Photo changing is not iphone 'sweep' style which is sad, and zooming is via buttons on the screen. Zoom and pan is really fast and shows no lags.

--Accelerometer: Generally iffy in 'non-iphones' but Samsung has got it's sensitivity and animation just right. WORKS. With everything. Finally, we have someone who can showcase your mobile screen in BOTH ways (landscape and portrait) with equal authority. Great.

--Battery life: I am an ultra heavy user. I browse, I sms, I chat, I fiddle and I also download a lot of applications. Still, one and a half days is highly respectable. Considering the fact that my E71 and E72 ran out of steam in the same amount of time WITHOUT the large screen, so many apps, so much chat and so much browsing, with the SAME battery size, it's highly commendable.

--Browser: Great. Does it's job very well. Zooming and panning again is effortless. There is a mini view a la opera, where you can move the bar around and zoom into one particular area. No lag in browsing. Fast, well formatted. And handles every page you throw at it with elan. Copy paste and select all options can be easily called into action and it's a boon again. Data consumption is a little high though.

--Hardware buttons are nice and chunky, but there is no backlighting. Sad. very sad. I need backlighting sometimes.

--Contacts Management: MY GOD. is the reaction. I love the way Google contacts updates and auto syncs your phone with the online database on your account. It's just so convenient. No need to back up and no stress about losing contacts. The ability to have over 2000 email addresses and telephone nos. in the same phone book is so convenient. no doubt it's stellar. Mail away, call away, sms away. It's all under one roof. Search function is present here and you can also scroll down, one letter a time.

--Search: A dedicated hardware search button does a lot of things. Helps search mail, calls for the address window while browsing, searches contacts, searches files, acts like a speed dial. The works. Nice!!

--The 'Back' button: Is perfect. Makes it a breeze to multitask and go back to what you are doing, very conveniently.

--Speaker: Speaker for tones is high enough, but speaker phone while calling is a little muted. The alarm rings VERY loud though, and it's bound to wake you up and annoy you!!:no:

--Customization: People complain about lack of customization on the Spica, but I feel it's perfect. 3 home windows, widgets, wallpapers, contact folders, facebook statuses, music player, calendar and a million other things from the application market. Great! Aur kuch nahi chahiye :tongue:

--Application Market: Appstore becomes application market. Fast to use, breezy downloads, great descriptions and reliable to install. Installs in the background while you hunt for other applications. (apple, learn something from here!) The search button works here too, so does the background download and install of apps. I have had 6 apps download and install simultaneously and STILL the phone didn't feel a wee bit slow while browsing for more apps. As of now, only free apps show (in India) and this should be addressed soon.

--The audio quality/music player have not been tested by me. Since I have an iPod Touch 32 Gb.

--The Video playback is FANTASAWESOMESUPREME. Throw WHATEVER you want at it. It plays it. Only, forwarding and rewinding lag a little bit, but it's annoying if you watch an entire movie. The high res screen shows colours with a lot of elan and I daresay the Spica is as good/better than the iphone in this aspect as you need not convert anything. Just drag and drop. WAAAH!

-- The attached cover (leather) is of good quality and highly convenient with holes for speaker and easy charger access.

--SMS: Threaded. Supreme. Cut copy paste. Foward. EVERYTHING the iPhone wanted to be (and in some aspects, still isn't) A good feature is that an email address open the email application on the jiffy and everything looks interconnected. Also, telephone nos. in SMS can be saved directly. Pressing and holding on the screen shows up a lot of stuff. Very nice! SIngle SMS CAN be deleted!

--Google Maps: A-GPS. SUPERIOR again! Exactly 20 seconds to lock with satellites (cold lock) WHILE MOVING! Highly appreciated. Google maps is very convenient, and directions etc are highly accurate. My location feature is convenient as it is amalgamated with Satellite, map or traffic view. Traffic view is not available in India, so is street view. Street view is SWEEEEEEEET. I can actually pan and zoom on the house I stayed in, when I went abroad. The house no. on the door can be seen!! FANTASTICCCCC!!!

--Camera: Sad. Just for the heck of it :bleh:
Video recording, I haven't even dared to try!

Features I miss:
--Settings for the camera
--Flash
--Torch function since there is no LED light
--Backlight in buttons
--SMS/Call/Email reminder through some kind of LED notification when in standby (come on, it doesn't cost much)
--SMS/EMail tones cannot be customized.
--Hotmail is slightly buggy with the email application.
--Data counter and call counter. HOW can one miss this out on a phone!? Especially on a phone that is meant for Data. HIGH volumes of it. I would want to see how much I am using! There are apps for this, but I found they have a negative effect on battery life.
--Battery percentage is not displayed
--Smart dialing, and speed dialing. REQUIRED!
--Samsung PC Studio DOES NOT work with this. Samsung, you piece of s**t!
--Firmware support is slightly iffy. Hope we get an upgrade soon!
--While on a call, switching to speaker phone requires a lot of button presses.
--I would love to install APPS on my MMC. I don't want to 'root' my phone just for that!



I LOVE THIS PHONE. 12.5 k for it is OFFICIALLY a joke. Please ask me if I have forgotten some essential stuff. Cheers!
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Old 27th February 2010, 14:26   #5933
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My god, is that a review by a lazy person? Damn! :P

Sounds like a steal at 12.5k.
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I am on the hunt for a smart phone replacement for my aging E51. I am very happy with my E51, but feel its time to upgrade.

My budget is 20K. I am unable to decide between the Nokia E72 and the Blackberry Storm 2. I dont need the blackebrry service, but like the touch feature. Also worried about the service issues of BB. I tried both phones.

Need all major features to be available. Any suggestions to make a faster decision?

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That's an awesome review Frank.
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--SMS/EMail tones cannot be customized.
Something I found while searching for I5700 reviews:
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How to customise ringtones/message_tones/notification_tones for your android handset:

1.) Attach usb cable and mount your sd card so that its accessible on your Desktop PC.
2.) At the root of your sdcard, create a new folder and name it "media".
3.) Inside "media", create three additional new sub-folders namely "ringtones", "notifications" & "alarms".
4.) Use these sub-folders to copy your favourite media to and thats it

Note : Folder names are case-sensitive, so letters must be in small-caps only. If your media (.mp3, .wav etc.) don't get listed while making selection inside your phone, try mounting/unmounting ur sd-card or restart your phone, alternatively.
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WOOOAH. Cheers bro. If that's how easy it is to be done, then puurrrrrfect!
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Don't own a spica, otherwise would have tried it.

BTW Frank, why did you sell your E72? Not satisfied? Need some inputs from you as I am seriously considering picking one up for myself.
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Thanks for the awesome review Frank. So does it qualify as a GPS option for someone with a BB?
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The standards defined A-GPS (used for emergency services) is lot different. ...
You are talking of e911.

I was talking of A-GPS, where the mobile phone's GPS sub-section requests and gets a couple of pieces of information, like standard time, probable satellites in view (based on the lat-long-HASL position of the cellular tower to which the device is currently connected; the device sends this to the server in the request packet), etc., to speed up resolving the current GPS position. The resolution is still from the GPS signals only, the A-GPS serves the purpose of 'cheat notes' for the GPS!!!

The above can be done only if access is available to the Internet from the phone, like through GPRS or Wi-fi. Some phones do it whenever they can, like HTC WiMo phones such as TD2 etc. Others do it just when the GPS starts to get a satellite fix.
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I am on the hunt for a smart phone replacement for my aging E51. I am very happy with my E51, but feel its time to upgrade.

My budget is 20K. I am unable to decide between the Nokia E72 and the Blackberry Storm 2. I dont need the blackebrry service, but like the touch feature. Also worried about the service issues of BB. I tried both phones.

Need all major features to be available. Any suggestions to make a faster decision?
Go for the E72. Very good reviews.
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