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Old 6th June 2010, 18:26   #1
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(i) Does anyone here have email set up on their Nokia E71 / E72 (using Nokia's Push Email or whatever it's called) ? How good or bad is it ?

(ii) Is it a good substitute for someone who wants email but not a BB ??

Request independent answers to both parts. Answers like "but if you want email it has to be BB" might not help me, as I'm trying to ascertain whether the Nokia Push Email thingy is good enough. Opinions please. This is not for me, it's for my brother actually. Greatly appreciate all help.

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Please check my response to your post here (Personal Solutions For Push E-Mail On The E Series) for #1. Don't know about the good / bad part (as it is subjective), but the feature is pretty much functional. The only con I would say is that the email client that comes with the Nokia phones (E72 at least) is not a html client (though you get an option to view email as HTML).

If you are not having an Enterprise BB account, then I don't know how much sense it makes to get a BB - I have friends who have BB just for their personal mails though.

I am not a fan of the push email, and use my accounts individually. With push email, you have to provide your credentials (say for Yahoo or GMail) to Nokia, who to consolidate all emails and push it to your device (same as, I think what BB would do for personal email? Not sure)

Checkout the mobile phones thread, I had participated in a discussion / troubleshooting with Nokia Email.
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I have an E71 and have configured push email for two of my accounts.

And I have to say it simply works amazing. I have my rediff and gmail configured to the email and it retrieves my mails automatically.

Incase you have an E63, 71 or 72 or any other push enabled handset, this is more than enough and you dont need a BB. Incase of a business phone like the E Series, it opens even attachments

In my case, I have not taken a data plan, but have configured it using the wi-fi setup at home. It can work either ways (wi-fi or data plan). So, everytime I am in a wifi zone, and if i connect to the network, it automatically retrieves my mails. It keeps synching constantly, so everytime an new mail comes in, I get an alert.

Composing mails are also the same way. You have an option to choose which account u want to send it from and it goes via your mail ID.

Incase you want constant connectivity, you can opt for a good GPRS plan
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Noob question. Does it work only for Yahoo / Gmail / Rediff / Hotmail? Or can it also be configured for a work email ID?

BTW are you guys talking about "Nokia Messaging" ? I went to http://www.mail.nokia.com and registered, but I ain't got no text message yet.

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Noob question. Does it work only for Yahoo / Gmail / Rediff / Hotmail? Or can it also be configured for a work email ID?

Configuring it to the work email ID depends on whether your organisation's security policy allows pushmail. Most of the big companies don't allow that. For some of the non BB models, BB used to provide BBConnect s/w which can bve loaded on other handsets and make it work like a BB. I guess the later versions of E series doesn't have the BB Connect available to them.
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Another General Question.

Do folks keep email clients on all the time? If thats the case, GPRS will remain on all the time too? How much does that pull down the battery time?
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Noob question. Does it work only for Yahoo / Gmail / Rediff / Hotmail? Or can it also be configured for a work email ID?

BTW are you guys talking about "Nokia Messaging" ? I went to http://www.mail.nokia.com and registered, but I ain't got no text message yet.
It can be configured for any account that uses the standard IMAP / POP3 / SMTP protocol. For MS Exchange / IBM Lotus Domino servers, there are separate clients built-in - this ofcourse would work only if your corporate allows you to login using a mobile device.

When I first setup email, I remember being asked if I wanted Nokia messaging (or something similar) activated. I chose "No", as I am not comfortable giving out my passwords to a middleman.
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Do folks keep email clients on all the time? If thats the case, GPRS will remain on all the time too? How much does that pull down the battery time?
Yes, my GPRS is connected all the time, and yet I get about 2.5+ days' battery standby on my E72.
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Yes, my GPRS is connected all the time, and yet I get about 2.5+ days' battery standby on my E72.
This is commendable! Also does GPRS break in between so that you have to re-establish connections?
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Nopes, I have set the connection to be automatic (as against always ask - or something that means that!), and my Lotus Notes Traveler - a push email client for Lotus Domino - will always be connected through GPRS for my official mails - until the battery goes below 30% (configuration option in Notes Traveler).
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Nopes, I have set the connection to be automatic (as against always ask - or something that means that!), and my Lotus Notes Traveler - a push email client for Lotus Domino - will always be connected through GPRS for my official mails - until the battery goes below 30% (configuration option in Notes Traveler).
Thats a cool feature. Now that you mention, I also remember there is a option which will allow you to poll in intervals of time. That should allow a good battery life.
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I have an E63, have two gmail accounts and a yahoo account configured. Works like a charm. Battery consumption goes up quite a bit though.

You have an option to set when you want to sync or not, when I am on my workstation, I stop the syncing, and use it only when I am out.
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Hi,

Blackberry provides solutions to corporates , They use special encrypting for data security and many corporates thus trust blackberry.
In case your companey IT department is using BB you have to use BB handset.

Nokia Push e-mail client is a relatively new enterant , In case you are not forced to use BB due to your IT department you can easily switch to Nokia.

The principle of Push e-mail is very simple , An aggregating gateway store your credentials for mail account and hwenever there is a new mail message a WAP Push Indication ( SMS with special header) is sent to the mobile this triggers the phone to connect to server and fetch content.

Alternative to the push approach is pull where phone need to poll the server evern N minutes ( as per configuration) . Pull is OK on PCs but on phone it is a battery drain so push is preferred.

Hope this helps.

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Please check my response to your post here (Personal Solutions For Push E-Mail On The E Series) for #1. Don't know about the good / bad part (as it is subjective), but the feature is pretty much functional. The only con I would say is that the email client that comes with the Nokia phones (E72 at least) is not a html client (though you get an option to view email as HTML).
The email client is built as an afterthought.

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I am not a fan of the push email, and use my accounts individually. With push email, you have to provide your credentials (say for Yahoo or GMail) to Nokia, who to consolidate all emails and push it to your device (same as, I think what BB would do for personal email? Not sure)
Your Nokia email client does that too Google it, it was a big story a few months ago.


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I have an E71 and have configured push email for two of my accounts.

And I have to say it simply works amazing. I have my rediff and gmail configured to the email and it retrieves my mails automatically.

Incase you have an E63, 71 or 72 or any other push enabled handset, this is more than enough and you dont need a BB. Incase of a business phone like the E Series, it opens even attachments

In my case, I have not taken a data plan, but have configured it using the wi-fi setup at home. It can work either ways (wi-fi or data plan). So, everytime I am in a wifi zone, and if i connect to the network, it automatically retrieves my mails. It keeps synching constantly, so everytime an new mail comes in, I get an alert.

Composing mails are also the same way. You have an option to choose which account u want to send it from and it goes via your mail ID.

Incase you want constant connectivity, you can opt for a good GPRS plan
You do not have to "synchronise" your email if you have push facility. The emails get pushed to your handset like SMSes.

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Noob question. Does it work only for Yahoo / Gmail / Rediff / Hotmail? Or can it also be configured for a work email ID?

BTW are you guys talking about "Nokia Messaging" ? I went to http://www.mail.nokia.com and registered, but I ain't got no text message yet.
Depends on what your operator supports. Usually works with the free providers and companies using conventional email solutions like Microsoft Exchange or Google Apps.
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Hello,

I got a E71 last decemeber. Than i didnt need push email or any such thing. But off late with work requires me to reply to email queries ASAP. So i decided to activate the VMC 250 data plan and setup push email on my device.

To be very honest, Gmail, Yahoo etc. work fine. But when i configured my domain email address, Nokia messaging went bonkers. It would keep sending me mails which i would delete. There was a substantial delay in receiving the mails. In no ways i would call it real time push email. No where close to BB.

I discussed this with a friend of mine, and he advised me to switch to EMOZE emoze Push email & messaging for all mobile devices

I setup the client and configured my Gmail & my work email address. Worked fine. Infact way better than Nokia Messaging. But the biggest and only drawback i figured out was battery life. The battery would drain out almost every evening. So eventually i ended up buying a new charger and leaving one in office and another at home. Got fed up of this and disconnected the VMC services 2 days ago.

Now to get things going, i am going to use my dad's old BB 8310. I dont care if it doesnt have any features, but in the end it does the job well.

Cheers!
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To be very honest, Gmail, Yahoo etc. work fine. But when i configured my domain email address, Nokia messaging went bonkers. It would keep sending me mails which i would delete. There was a substantial delay in receiving the mails. In no ways i would call it real time push email. No where close to BB.
That may happen if your e-mail server such as exchange is not configured to delete e-mails after delivery to client.
In case of BB the server your organizations IT department maintains is also of BB and using end to end solution you will not face this issue.
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