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Old 21st December 2015, 17:58   #1711
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So, assuming you are not using auto-iso and keep iso and shutter speed constant in manual mode:
In the M mode of OMD:

1) You can't change EV directly in M mode, you change it by changing the 3 parameters. Screen brightness remain constant like OVF.
2) See 1.
3) Not in M mode, but this happens in A or S mode.

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Well, when in A mode, of course when I go to F16 the shutter speed comes down too and the result on the screen remain the same. I actually also keep ISO on auto in 80% of my shots.
Any seasoned OMD user will stay in auto ISO unless using tripod or some special situation. Even if you keep ISO at 100, max out on speed or aperture, the maxed out value will blink rather than change the screen brightness. Just like the OVF.

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Let me check tonight what happens when you're on manual, I would expect the screen to darken, would it not?
Nope. That would not be OVF behavior then.
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Old 23rd December 2015, 00:02   #1712
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So here comes my first shot with my OM-D EM 5 Mark II and the 12-40mm f2.8 lens

https://500px.com/photo/133207979/ol...-codeintheopen

At ISO 3200, this is very impressive! Excellent details. I was not able to get this much clarity from my Sony NEX-6, 30mm Sigma lens combo.
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What do you guys think about back button focus in general and on the OMD?

I have set my OMD to back button AF and I'm finding it easier to use than the half pressed shutter. Additionally, I just need to lock the focus once and keep shooting. For example., I was shooting a bird sitting on a tree, I just had to focus once and kept shooting at different angles. I found it comfortable using the back button focus and I left it as the default for all my shooting modes.

On the highlights and Shadows Fn button, I have set mine to +-7 and I can see the difference in the shots when I set it to 0. The shadows are more pronounced when I have it set and +7 for the shadow and -7 for the highlight. I'm yet to import and take a look at the picture on my Mac but from the Live View, I can say that this looks a lot better and convenient.

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Old 24th December 2015, 13:40   #1714
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I have been using back button focus for the last 3 years. Great for shooting wildlife/action.

Why don't you (and others) start sharing more photos on the image threads ? There is too much dry talk about gear and too few photos
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Old 6th January 2016, 13:56   #1715
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Olympus launches all so affordable, kick a 600mm F4 lens for the Mirrorless. This is fantastic news for all the wildlife enthusiast who also knows that the Olympus Mirrorless AF is actually fantastic as well.

I am super excited.
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Olympus launches all so affordable, kick a 600mm F4 lens for the Mirrorless. This is fantastic news for all the wildlife enthusiast who also knows that the Olympus Mirrorless AF is actually fantastic as well.
With the teleconverter you will be getting 840mm...

The previews are already out: http://www.creativeislandphoto.com/b...300mm-pro-lens
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Old 6th January 2016, 16:54   #1717
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@samurai,

Its just the size factor that will make this a cake at 600mm.. But 840 mm on a 2x sensor with a tele would be hitting the image quality through diffraction and more.

I have a Nikon p900 which beats some of the best lenses out there. I love that camera.
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Its just the size factor that will make this a cake at 600mm.. But 840 mm on a 2x sensor with a tele would be hitting the image quality through diffraction and more.
I used to have a 4/3 version of 1.4x TC, it was brilliant. I don't think m4/3 version will be bad. The link I posted has many pics shot using 1.4x TC.

The following was shot using 50-200mm + 1.4x TC (560mm effective) using E-500 camera released in 2005.

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/shift...tml#post456325

Olympus has improved their sensor in leaps and bounds since then.

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I love that sensor and its AF. And the size is smaller than the old A7. People who have not given this a thought when selecting a mirrorless is just biased. This is by far one of the lightest and most mobile set up with class leading AF and lens collection.

I am in love with the Nikon p900 and this has become my one camera to roam around. A7rII has not seen action in the last 10 days. And i am convinced this 300mm will make few conversion from DSLR to Mirroless.

One Image from P900 hand held, full AF and only Jpeg
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And i am convinced this 300mm will make few conversion from DSLR to Mirroless.

One Image from P900 hand held, full AF and only Jpeg
Nice bokeh, what was the focal length?

I doubt serious amateurs (not even talking about pros) - who use long lenses - would switch. E.g. one can use a 1.4x TC with the 300mm f/4 PF to get 630mm lightweight kit when using a DX camera.

Mirrorless is good for all genres except wildlife and sports.

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I am not sure about the focal length but here is a series which can give you a perspective of what the Nikon P900 can do.

Regarding Mirrorless for Wildlife and sport, i feel the first step towards that test is getting a nice lens out. I am very very interested to check real life results from the Olympus.
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But 840 mm on a 2x sensor with a tele would be hitting the image quality through diffraction and more.

I have a Nikon p900 which beats some of the best lenses out there. I love that camera.
You are happy with the quality of 6.22x crop sensor at 2000mm, but think 840mm on a 2x crop sensor will have image quality issues?

BTW, the new 300mm has lens based IS.
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@samurai

I am happy that a 400 odd dollar camera and that too point and shoot gives you great option. It's not going to compete with a fast tele anyday but just standing outside with less than 500 gms of equipment to get almost good quality pictures is definitely a great option.

What I meant was the 2x crop with can potentially yield image quality issue where the aperture is already slowing down. That comparison is with a DSLR and tele converters. Definitely not comparing the Nikon here with this terrific! Lens. In fact it was just an observation where the lens will not be at its best with the converter. But going to be stunning wide open
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I am not sure about the focal length but here is a series which can give you a perspective of what the Nikon P900 can do.

Regarding Mirrorless for Wildlife and sport, i feel the first step towards that test is getting a nice lens out. I am very very interested to check real life results from the Olympus.
Re: P900 - at extreme focal lengths, you are taking snapshots rather than 'creating' images. Static shots where you don't care that much about IQ, I can get. Extreme range static birding photos (or detective work lol), I can get. How about action and bad light?

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Wildlife and sport are specialized genres. People who are seriously into it, have some money invested in gear. And you need to go heavy and large when you play in those segments. Which sort of defeats the purpose of light and small mirrorless kits. This lens looks great. But it is just a tick in the box for Olympus, to fill a vacancy. It will be of great value to Olympus users who want that extra reach, but it won't attract folks from Canikon.

Take a D7200 + 300mm f/4 PF. At 1.3X crop - equivalent to a 2X crop sensor - it gives 600mm reach. Using the DX sensor without crop, it gives 450mm. The 300mm f/4 PF weighs appx. half compared to the Olympus. The Nikon kit - body + lens - weighs less than the Olympus kit. Which one do you think would give more keepers in the field? Which one would have better IQ? Which one would give you more shots without having to change batteries? And I am not even mentioning the newly launched D500, a monster DX camera for action, if it performs as per its specs.

I don't get it why people don't understand that there are horses for courses. True for vehicles, true for camera systems. I mean you could argue a lot that some softroader can do almost as much as a proper 4WD vehicle. But there is a reason why people prefer a particular tool for a particular job. Especially when it is about not a one time act in perfect conditions, but repeatable and reliable performance over time in tough conditions.

I would never attempt some of the forest or mountain trails I do in the Fortuner - after sunset - in a softroader, even if it could theoretically do the job in ideal conditions. It is a matter of faith and reliability. Same with action (wildlife in my case) shooting.

Bottomline: we are comparing specialist tools with tools that can perform adequately in certain conditions.

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Which sort of defeats the purpose of light and small mirrorless kits. This lens looks great. But it is just a tick in the box for Olympus, to fill a vacancy. It will be of great value to Olympus users who want that extra reach, but it won't attract folks from Canikon.
Exactly, this is not a lens I would add to my gear. But if I am going to Serengetti, I would love to have this lens just during that time. It ticks that telephoto box which I ignore most of the time.

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Take a D7200 + 300mm f/4 PF. At 1.3X crop - equivalent to a 2X crop sensor - it gives 600mm reach. Using the DX sensor without crop, it gives 450mm. The 300mm f/4 PF weighs appx. half compared to the Olympus. The Nikon kit - body + lens - weighs less than the Olympus kit. Which one do you think would give more keepers in the field?
I switched to m4/3 for the compact size. That's the strength of the system. That is why I never even considered 40-150mm F2.8, let alone 300mm F/4. I don't want a lens larger than my 12-40mm F/2.8, which I consider bulky. At smaller FLs, no dSLR comes closer to mirrorless in size or weight. That is where I usually stay, the lenses I have in my bag are 12-40mm F/2.8, 25mm F/1.8 and 45mm F/1.8, which means 45mm is the longest lens I have.
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