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Old 4th May 2011, 10:28   #151
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Suppose there is an app that performs function X. When you get it from iTunes store, you know it is not going to harm your phone. But for android, someone else can write malicious software, advertise it as performing function X and succeed in causing some inconvenience to you. Of course, its not the phone's fault.
Installing an application from a trusted source like Google Android Market versus some forum are two different thing. Not anyone can host the app on google market and they have an approval process very similar to that of an Apple.

Android does not take away your freedom to install from any untrusted source.

Also it is wrong to assume that no security holes are discovered and reported in Apple iPhone , Just search on net if there are 70 reported ( and patched for Android) there is a large enough number of reported ( and patched by Apple) for iPhone as well.


These 10 are from March 2011and yet unplugged.
http://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerabil...Iphone-Os.html

Some older and patched

Exploiting the iPhone



Check this one the security vulnerability of possibility to launch an executable on iPhone is exactly same as the one I reported for Angry Birds extension demonstration in Android

Apple patches 10 iPhone security holes | ZDNet

Anyway iOS or Android both do not come in preview of what can be called secure OS both have an architecture that can accept security plugins ( due to freeBSD legacy for iOS and Linux for Android).

The architecture is by design to keep security solution as pluggable so that enterprise /user can choose this is case for both Mac (freeBSD) and Android ( Linux)

So a security vulnerability being reported by someone is not bad it just means a system is in use and alive , I would be more worried about a system for which no-one raises a vulnerability report because that means either a dead system or so hopeless that no one think it is worth to spend time on that.
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But look at another case. IE is subjected to more attacks than any other browser, mainly because you hit more people that way. But still its IE that gets blamed for poor security.
Well IE had certain security flaws actually , Due to poor code quality lots of exploits were left out and for many years hackers were able to use simple exploits such as buffer overruns and stack smashing. Any possibility of buffer overrun in an application points to just one thing poor code quality.

However this has reduced in past couple of years for IE that means code is stablized now.

Simple open source tools like splint and more complex and much costlier static code analysis tools like coverity are employed to plug these kind of loopholes and it is a costly process to generate reports and ask developers to close the red flags before code release.

You have to believe that Mozilla and Webkit have better code.

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@amitk26; I agree. Remember the foundation of Android is in Linux. Even though the latter is also open source hardly and infiltration has taken place. Also, remember that if a hole is opened then you have a huge numbers of users to try and fix it,
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Android and IPhone both affected by malicious applications in their AppStore. It is wrong assumption that, if we download from AppStore or Android Market our phone will not get harmed.

There were many such instances, when Apple and Android both used "Remote Kill" DM technique to wipe out such applications from user's phone. But when it was discovered much of the damages already done with user's private data stored in phone.

Certification procedure of Apple and Android are not fool proof and there is no way blindly trusting apps available in their stores. It can be case with any app stores.

Quote from below blog post:

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Apple's reviewers can easily root out applications that, say, read an address book and send the contents to spammers. But it's harder to detect an application whose methods are less direct, for example by executing a script from a Web server after download. Also, App Store reviewers are only human, and they're under pressure to approve more apps than any other platform.
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Experts Not Surprised By iPhone Malicious App Report | PCWorld
Google using remote kill switch to swat Android malware apps
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Yes anuj true any application certification can not have code inspection or even code analysis using tools because developer is never going to share code so possibility of exploits such as buffer overruns is always there.

If one wants absolute security then the solution is simple , Go back to dumb phone or if it is status symbol issue buy vertu
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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/14/bu...LINGF_BRF.html

Apple = frivolous patents, frivolous lawsuits
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Apple = frivolous patents, frivolous lawsuits
To be fair, it was Kodak that sued Apple first and then Apple countersued them. But seems like Apple didn't have anything substantial to sue them back and lost .
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And now they are suing htc. htc and Samsung are the OEMs for the Google Phones.

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And now they are suing htc. htc and Samsung are the OEMs for the Google Phones.

(Mods please change to title by, say adding now htc)
And it seems Apple won 2 out of the 10 patent infringement notices that they slapped on HTC.
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And it seems Apple won 2 out of the 10 patent infringement notices that they slapped on HTC.

can you share some news report regarding the same.

With respect to HTC it may very well be true - they started off with legalised theft of technology. In China of course it doesn't matter because any company suing them will not only have its case thrown out, it will then face harassment. Outside China is where their problems lie.

EDIT: here's what I found on the internet http://androidandme.com/2011/07/phon...apple-patents/

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can you share some news report regarding the same.

With respect to HTC it may very well be true - they started off with legalised theft of technology. In China of course it doesn't matter because any company suing them will not only have its case thrown out, it will then face harassment. Outside China is where their problems lie.
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Judge finds HTC guilty of infringing two Apple patents; could mean trouble for Android [updated]
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I agree with you but just take a look at the pic in Post #19 on Page 2 of this thread. Everybody is suing everybody, so just sit back and watch the fun.
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I agree with you but just take a look at the pic in Post #19 on Page 2 of this thread. Everybody is suing everybody, so just sit back and watch the fun.

Actually sir, the everyone is suing everyone will soon become an Apple vs. everyone (read Android) fight.

I was working in cellphone industry in 2007 (or late 2006) when some sales guys went to see Google executives. A "google phone" was widely rumoured at the time, iPhone was about to be released.

google made clear that there will be no "google phone" rather google wanted to be in every phone made by anybody. And this was when Eric Schmitt was still on Apple's board.


I think these guys anticipated exactly these wars over 5 years ago, preparations were on for a long time we are just seeing the climactic battles now (or is it the beginning?)
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Interesting thing is that the patent claim against HTC is converting content ( Phone number/email ) in to URL by parsing, every browser does that.
And I am not sure how apple got patent for that in 1996 but anyway ... Let's see how it progresses.
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Interesting thing is that the patent claim against HTC is converting content ( Phone number/email ) in to URL by parsing, every browser does that.
And I am not sure how apple got patent for that in 1996 but anyway ... Let's see how it progresses.
Even more shocking is 6,343,263 awarded on January 29 2002.

United States Patent: 6343263

In simple terms this Patent covers DMA data transfer between a modem and an application processor and the DMA access is controlled by a DSP , Software APIs are provided to make this data available to applications. This is how 100% of phones with 2 processors for modem and AP work since the days cellphones were invented and I worked on first such system in Motorola in 1999 but it was not a novelty at that times as well, It is really shocking that Apple got patent for this in 2002.


Looks like a Neem and Haldi patent case to me , no one contested when it was awarded and enough jargon was thrown in so it was granted.

Till now I was firm believer in software patents but with these two the arguments against software patenting kind of makes sense to me.
Software patent debate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Let'see how it progresses.

Just for a change there is a Mumbai based Kotol which claims to have patent in social networking for adding connections.

Logically there case is similar but look at the kind of deriding langugae being used , which is incidentally missing in case of biggies.

http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/N...-patent-troll/

No way I mean that they are not troll but bigger trolls from west gets respect

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And now this:

Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 blocked in Europe - Telegraph

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The Regional Court of Dusseldorf has granted Apple a preliminary injunction against the sale and marketing of the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 across all of Europe except the Netherlands. It is possible to apply for a pan-European injunction in any country which, if upheld, covers all of the EU. The judge backed Apple’s claim that Samsung’s tablet had infringed on its intellectual property and copied elements of the iPad 2.
If Samsung does succeed in the case, would it be compensated for the 1 month's sale?
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