Should I buy a used Indica ? - Page 4 - Team-BHP

mithun · 12th August 2009, 10:59

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finally decided on a 2004 Indica DLS for 1.5L. It is driven for 40K kms

Sad to hear that Indicas are having poor resale values !

Gandhi · 14th August 2009, 20:14

Here is the final update guys. All the paperwork is done and the first car of our family is finally home. Eventhough it is a second hand car, everybody is so much excited for our first car. I am too excited sitting here in Bangalore

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Thanks everybody for all the help and guidance.

greenhorn · 14th August 2009, 20:53

and do remember to post pics and an initial report when you get it

Gandhi · 14th August 2009, 22:05

I won't be able to get my hands on the car till late October :(. I myself is planning for a new car by year end. Waiting for some good news from my employer

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Brother will get the car on his name next week and the insurance too.

Gandhi · 15th August 2009, 21:38

Here are few pics of the car

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greenhorn · 15th August 2009, 21:43

externally, the car appears to be in good shape. just give it a wash

i think the scratches in the front bumper can be taken care of with some black shoe polish

and if your brother is a beginner(or even otherwise), get a rear view mirror for the left side. should cost ~1k

Gandhi · 15th August 2009, 21:51

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Originally Posted by greenhorn

externally, the car appears to be in good shape. just give it a wash

i think the scratches in the front bumper can be taken care of with some black shoe polish

and if your brother is a beginner(or even otherwise), get a rear view mirror for the left side. should cost ~1k

Thanks greenhorn for the advice. I will pass on this to my brother.

tsk1979 · 17th August 2009, 11:17

@Gandhi, check one thing. Make 3 people sit in the back and observe the rear tires.
If they go like this / \ then the car may need a minor suspension job.
On this 2004 indica, the suspension was softer, and soft independent suspension + bad roads = some camber issues.

Gandhi · 17th August 2009, 13:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by tsk1979

@Gandhi, check one thing. Make 3 people sit in the back and observe the rear tires.
If they go like this / \ then the car may need a minor suspension job.
On this 2004 indica, the suspension was softer, and soft independent suspension + bad roads = some camber issues.

Thanks TSK for the tip. My brother will be taking the car to the mechanic for a regular checkup. I will let him know about this and ask him to get it rectified if that indeed is a case.

I don't know how we would have managed all these if there was no Team-BHP.

You guys just rock

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ACM · 1st September 2009, 17:58

Good looking car in good exterior condition, congrats.

Would normally recommend a petrol indica anyday. Diesels need to be checked out.

Gandhi · 21st October 2009, 02:36

After lot of convincing, got leaves approved to go home for diwali. This was the first time I was going to drive the car myself.

Externally the car looked very good, interiors were also in good shape except few minor things.

I start the car and engine sound is satisfactory (P.S. I have very little experience in driving cars in India, this was the first diesel car I was driving). The drive is much better than I expected. It drives well in lower gears too than I thought. Drives like a knife in butter on highways. Though I felt tiring after driving it in city traffic. My left leg and left hand were aching after a longish drive (may be the driving position is not right). The car feels heavy to drive than smaller petrols I have driven (Santro, WagonR etc).

Now some problems -

We were to go on a long trip on diwali (around 200+ kms), so I went to a local mechanic to check coolant, oil level etc (first time I was taking a car to a mechanic). He showed me that the coolant container (don't know the exact word) was real dirty and needed to be cleaned and new coolant was also needed. I agreed and he cleaned that container and all the pipes, pour 2 ltrs of new coolant and some water. Next day, after we crossed some 90 kms (not continuous) the temperature gauge suddenly started raising. We stopped the car once it crossed 70% mark and opened the bonnet. To our surprise, the coolant had leaked all over in the surrounding areas (looked like it overflowed). We waited for around 20 minutes for the engine to cool down, pour some water (it gulped 2 ltrs) in the container and started our journey. Engine overheating problem hasn't appeared since then, but a new problem has surfaced.
This new problem is, that the car doesn't start in the morning at all. Weather is real hot this time in Ahmedabad. We have to push the car and start it every morning. Bro went to the same mechanic and he told that gasket (that's what he told, I don't know the exact part name) needs to be checked.

Seems this gasket is inside the engine, and the engine needs to be opened for the first time. Let me know if anybody has faced similar issue and can give me some hints on the probable cause (and a solution) for this problem.

thegame · 21st October 2009, 05:49

He was probably talking about the head gasket. I would suggest take it to an authorised Tata service center get a second opinion.

greenhorn · 21st October 2009, 07:40

If he's talking about the head gasket, something is very funny here
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techni...ad-gasket.html (How to test for a failed Engine Head Gasket)
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techni...-interval.html (Head gasket, does it have a service interval)

sierrakamat · 21st October 2009, 11:04

just run your car for about half hour with the ac running then open the bonnet check if the radiator fan is working ditto the ac condenser fan visible from outside through the bumper slats if both are working ask someone to switch off engine if the gasket is the problem on shutting off engine the radiator will throw out water due to pressure build up if that is the case engine has to be opened to replace it.also check if the engine piston rings need replacement by pulling out dipstick if the rings are worn out you will see smoke like gas coming out of the dipstick pipe in which case your engine will need to be overhauled.all the best.

tsk1979 · 21st October 2009, 11:19

If you get starting problem only in morning, the glow plugs are shot.
This problem is very common. To verify this theory, before you start in the morning, open the bonnet and put boiling water on the place where injectors go in the engine.
Then crank. If she starts, its the glow plugs.
As for head gasket etc., if there is such a problem, you will see blue smoke from exhaust

14th August 2009, 20:14	#47 (permalink)
Gandhi BHPian Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Bangalore, Ahmedabad Posts: 397	Here is the final update guys. All the paperwork is done and the first car of our family is finally home. Eventhough it is a second hand car, everybody is so much excited for our first car. I am too excited sitting here in Bangalore . Thanks everybody for all the help and guidance. __________________ 2009 Ritz ZXi (booked - awaiting delivery) 2004 Indica V2 (Bought in 2009) 2005 Yamaha Libero G5

14th August 2009, 20:53	#48 (permalink)
greenhorn Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: KL-01 Posts: 4,525 View My Garage	and do remember to post pics and an initial report when you get it __________________ '07 Indica DLG - Almost a DLX

14th August 2009, 22:05	#49 (permalink)
Gandhi BHPian Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Bangalore, Ahmedabad Posts: 397	I won't be able to get my hands on the car till late October :(. I myself is planning for a new car by year end. Waiting for some good news from my employer . Brother will get the car on his name next week and the insurance too. __________________ 2009 Ritz ZXi (booked - awaiting delivery) 2004 Indica V2 (Bought in 2009) 2005 Yamaha Libero G5

15th August 2009, 21:38	#50 (permalink)
Gandhi BHPian Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Bangalore, Ahmedabad Posts: 397	Here are few pics of the car . __________________ 2009 Ritz ZXi (booked - awaiting delivery) 2004 Indica V2 (Bought in 2009) 2005 Yamaha Libero G5

15th August 2009, 21:43	#51 (permalink)
greenhorn Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: KL-01 Posts: 4,525 View My Garage	externally, the car appears to be in good shape. just give it a wash i think the scratches in the front bumper can be taken care of with some black shoe polish and if your brother is a beginner(or even otherwise), get a rear view mirror for the left side. should cost ~1k __________________ '07 Indica DLG - Almost a DLX

17th August 2009, 11:17	#53 (permalink)
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: New Delhi Posts: 11,290 View My Garage	@Gandhi, check one thing. Make 3 people sit in the back and observe the rear tires. If they go like this / \ then the car may need a minor suspension job. On this 2004 indica, the suspension was softer, and soft independent suspension + bad roads = some camber issues. __________________ Reclaimed, wrung dry and recycled....!

1st September 2009, 17:58	#55 (permalink)
ACM BHPian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Mumbai Posts: 823 View My Garage	Good looking car in good exterior condition, congrats. Would normally recommend a petrol indica anyday. Diesels need to be checked out. __________________ ACM Cars in the Garage: 2006 Skoda Laura L&K DSG AT- Blue, 2001 Tata Safari - Blue, 1999-2007 Daewoo Cielo 1956 Fiat - Red

21st October 2009, 02:36	#56 (permalink)
Gandhi BHPian Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Bangalore, Ahmedabad Posts: 397	Update on the car. After lot of convincing, got leaves approved to go home for diwali. This was the first time I was going to drive the car myself. Externally the car looked very good, interiors were also in good shape except few minor things. I start the car and engine sound is satisfactory (P.S. I have very little experience in driving cars in India, this was the first diesel car I was driving). The drive is much better than I expected. It drives well in lower gears too than I thought. Drives like a knife in butter on highways. Though I felt tiring after driving it in city traffic. My left leg and left hand were aching after a longish drive (may be the driving position is not right). The car feels heavy to drive than smaller petrols I have driven (Santro, WagonR etc). Now some problems - We were to go on a long trip on diwali (around 200+ kms), so I went to a local mechanic to check coolant, oil level etc (first time I was taking a car to a mechanic). He showed me that the coolant container (don't know the exact word) was real dirty and needed to be cleaned and new coolant was also needed. I agreed and he cleaned that container and all the pipes, pour 2 ltrs of new coolant and some water. Next day, after we crossed some 90 kms (not continuous) the temperature gauge suddenly started raising. We stopped the car once it crossed 70% mark and opened the bonnet. To our surprise, the coolant had leaked all over in the surrounding areas (looked like it overflowed). We waited for around 20 minutes for the engine to cool down, pour some water (it gulped 2 ltrs) in the container and started our journey. Engine overheating problem hasn't appeared since then, but a new problem has surfaced. This new problem is, that the car doesn't start in the morning at all. Weather is real hot this time in Ahmedabad. We have to push the car and start it every morning. Bro went to the same mechanic and he told that gasket (that's what he told, I don't know the exact part name) needs to be checked. Seems this gasket is inside the engine, and the engine needs to be opened for the first time. Let me know if anybody has faced similar issue and can give me some hints on the probable cause (and a solution) for this problem. __________________ 2009 Ritz ZXi (booked - awaiting delivery) 2004 Indica V2 (Bought in 2009) 2005 Yamaha Libero G5

21st October 2009, 05:49	#57 (permalink)
thegame BHPian Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Bangalore Posts: 42	He was probably talking about the head gasket. I would suggest take it to an authorised Tata service center get a second opinion.

21st October 2009, 07:40	#58 (permalink)
greenhorn Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: KL-01 Posts: 4,525 View My Garage	If he's talking about the head gasket, something is very funny here http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techni...ad-gasket.html (How to test for a failed Engine Head Gasket) http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techni...-interval.html (Head gasket, does it have a service interval) __________________ '07 Indica DLG - Almost a DLX

21st October 2009, 11:04	#59 (permalink)
sierrakamat BHPian Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: mumbai Posts: 46	just run your car for about half hour with the ac running then open the bonnet check if the radiator fan is working ditto the ac condenser fan visible from outside through the bumper slats if both are working ask someone to switch off engine if the gasket is the problem on shutting off engine the radiator will throw out water due to pressure build up if that is the case engine has to be opened to replace it.also check if the engine piston rings need replacement by pulling out dipstick if the rings are worn out you will see smoke like gas coming out of the dipstick pipe in which case your engine will need to be overhauled.all the best. __________________ wife can take care of self but my car neeeeds me

21st October 2009, 11:19	#60 (permalink)
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: New Delhi Posts: 11,290 View My Garage	If you get starting problem only in morning, the glow plugs are shot. This problem is very common. To verify this theory, before you start in the morning, open the bonnet and put boiling water on the place where injectors go in the engine. Then crank. If she starts, its the glow plugs. As for head gasket etc., if there is such a problem, you will see blue smoke from exhaust __________________ Reclaimed, wrung dry and recycled....!

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