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Old 5th September 2006, 22:32   #16
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think you should take a look here as well:

http://cityblogger.com/archives/2005...suzuki-wagon-r
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Old 5th September 2006, 23:03   #17
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Don't sell off the santro if ultimatley u have to go for the wagon R cause both of the cars are more or less the same .. be wise .. if u really wanna spend money upgrade the interiors, exteriors of the car .. or tune it up.. atleast dont buy the new Wagon R (its front is uglier than the previous model..)
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Old 5th September 2006, 23:21   #18
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1. After 4 years the maintenance costs increase.
2. Lost of scratches and small dents all around (will need 25 K to repaint and make it look like new)
3. Milage has dropped, getting around 9-10 in city with a/c on all time.
4. The car broker said I'd get only between 1.7 to 1.8 L if I sell it now and later resale value will be worse.
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1. Do not fully agree. I have a 99 model Santro done close to 60000Km. Maintenance cost is about Rs. 4000 per annum(including 2 services in that) and that too bulk of the money is spent in interior vacuum cleaning, rubbing polish, wheel alignment and other things(most are cosmetic than engine or moving parts).
2. Why do you want to paint the whole car ? Decide which ones you actually need to paint and which ones you can get rubbed using the polish and remove minor scratches. Some of the panels(like the one next to the engine above the wheels) on the LP cost only about 2000 to paint. You can decide item by item. Of course, if its too bad, get ti painted all over.
3. Check why the mileage is low ! I get 12+ in city with AC on under bad driving conditions(bumper to bumper).
4. dont know about these numbers.

Considering the number of km the car has been driven and assuming the same rate of driving, petrol should just be fine. 5000km in an year is nothing much.
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Old 5th September 2006, 23:45   #19
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Go for the WagonR. Its from the maruthi family, and its proven...
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Old 6th September 2006, 00:48   #20
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.. don't sell....
I have a more than 5.5year old wagonR.. it runs fine.. and would continue to serve for the next 4-5 years....
Santro should not ask much maintenance.... its a misconception... ur car done just 20k kms... I'll count it NEW.
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I have a march 2000 DLX model Santro (Euro II) and it has clocked more than 75000 KMs since then. At the time of purchase, Zen was the dominating model in the market. The purchase went in the favour of Santro as it is much easier to get in and get out. Later on one thing I realized ... Santro really scored over Zen in boot space department. WagonR was not even considered by the family on the basis of its looks although I was impressed by the 1.1 litre engine (my santro has 55 bhp engine whereas WagonR was having 63 bhp).

I frequently drive to Uttaranchal hills will decent load and I love the low end torque of the car ... WagonR does not have this low end punch (maximum torque figure is less and that too comes at a higher RPM). Boon for city driving. Also Santro is really sturdy. I have hit big potholes (that seems like dug for planting a full grown Mango tree in the middle of highway) right on Delhi - Nainital highway at good 90KMPH. They appeared out of no-where. And at that time when car hit those potpholes I thought the tyres have made their way into the passenger cabin. I couldn't believe that there was nothing wrong with the car!!! Not even rim damage !!! Similarly, on other day I was travelling to Jaipur and at one place there was speed breaker without any markings. We literally flew and landed heavily on the other side. Thankfully nothing happenned. Santro's suspension is hard in comparison to WagonR but this is what gives you edge on highways and unexpected ordeals.

My younger brother banged the car on our society wall (he didn't know driving but clandestinely, was still trying his luck); only a couple of days after arrival from showroom and it spent next 3 weeks in the workshop. If there happens to be an accident, the hyundai charges are little high. Sometimes feel like close to what you would have paid for getting an esteem repaired. But good thing is that even after so many years, the engine is flawless. It hasn't been opened even once. The clutch too is original.

During last service, I got CarboClean treatment done. Otherwise, the normal expenditure is OK (but still more than Maruti). One incident though ... I had to get the small rubber hose pipe from connects plastic air inlet with the air filter as it developed cuts and cracks. I cost me 380/- (or so). Then I learnt that it is an imported product from Korea!!! Damn ... after so many years of manufacturing this fast moving car (from assembly line and showrooms) and having an engine manufacturing unit in India, they still import these seemingly petty parts from Korea!!! Hard to digest.

My city mileage would be around 12-14 KMPH (with AC on 70% time) although I never check it in city. On highways, with combined plains and hilly terrain driving I get around 17+ kmph which is pretty good. In plains my speed remains 100 - 110 KMPH and on hills on the safer side. The ride quality has now certainly deteriorated. It is pretty hard now.

The performance is OK but then recently after coming across a thread on Acetone usage, I tried it and it works wonders. Amazing and unbelievable change to engine characteristics. It works on old engine like Viagra

Conclusion:
Am I happy with the car? Yes certainly.
Would I buy Santro again? Only if they are going to provide a few more features to match WagonR (such as tachometer etc) and I suspect this may happen soon.

In my opinion, the low end torque (which is further improved in eRLX version), the qaulity of gear shift and overall quality of engineering is definitely better than WagonR. Another thing ... when pushed hard, the old Santro understeers a bit too much and I have heard and read in magazines that this has been corrected to a certain extent in new Santros by changing the suspension tolerances. Good for me as on hilly driving you need obedient machine.

Currently I am also looking for a change. I might go for Baleno which is now being offerred at a fantastic discount and at this price it is tremendous value for money (even if there is rumour that it might be phased out soon). But then Verna is also about to debut. I can wait for a one or two months.

Discuss amongst your family members and if you have cash to spare, go ahead and get yourself a new car. Santro or WagonR - you cannot go wrong with either.

Enjoy!!!

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Old 6th September 2006, 12:55   #22
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I have a march 2000 DLX model Santro (Euro II) and it has clocked more than 75000 KMs since then. At the time of purchase, Zen was the dominating model in the market. The purchase went in the favour of Santro as it is much easier to get in and get out. Later on one thing I realized ... Santro really scored over Zen in boot space department. WagonR was not even considered by the family on the basis of its looks although I was impressed by the 1.1 litre engine (my santro has 55 bhp engine whereas WagonR was having 63 bhp).

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Currently I am also looking for a change. I might go for Baleno which is now being offerred at a fantastic discount and at this price it is tremendous value for money (even if there is rumour that it might be phased out soon). But then Verna is also about to debut. I can wait for a one or two months.

Discuss amongst your family members and if you have cash to spare, go ahead and get yourself a new car. Santro or WagonR - you cannot go wrong with either.

Enjoy!!!
Hai Rana,

Tnx for the detailed post. Its reassuring to see how sturdy the Santro is. That's one more vote of OK for the Santro. It's going to be a tough choice for me; hold on to the Santro or buy a new Wagon R !!!!!

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Old 6th September 2006, 16:39   #23
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Guess u should hold on to your santro, spend a few greens on the maintainance and it will keep u happy. I dont see any point in spending 2-3Lakhs and purchasing a car in the same segment. I'd rather get rid of the problems my santro is giving me and wait for either a Swift Diesel or GetZ CrDi.

I have a santro xing XS 2005, its done 30K and i havent spent a dime on maintaince though the 4th service (paid one @ 30K) is quoted at Rs3500.
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Hey friend
I justhave posted the same thread several weeks before.That time BHPians preffered wagon R .The new Wagon R with double fuel system and airbags have reached the international standards.I preffer WagonR.Santro is a good car.But its getting aged.It needs refinement.So go for WagonR which is tough and sporty.
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hey! go for the wagonR. i have a 2001 wagonR clocked 150000km on the odo still runing perfectly. gives a good FE of 12km/L in the city with the ac on. I ve had no problems with the car. its a very reliable car and the service of maruti is good.
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hey! go for the wagonR. i have a 2001 wagonR clocked 150000km on the odo still runing perfectly. gives a good FE of 12km/L in the city with the ac on. I ve had no problems with the car. its a very reliable car and the service of maruti is good.
wow! 1.5lac! and still running without any major replacment etc?

I sold my old Santro when it clocked 1.1lac for 1.65lac and got a Xing .

I would suggest that you take a testdrive of Xing and WagonR. The old WagonR had dull interiors and bad gearing for city driving ( oh and that wage feel ES)
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i did have a major replacement done. my dad was carrying a lot of luggage in the trunk with a lot of heavy things and drove the car for like 400km on highway he had stoped for a while when the rear wheel fell off the car. next day the maruti guys replaced the rear axil ( dont know for sure what they had replaced) n repaired the car free of cost this was done after the warrenty period.and the car has taken worse beatings in the past. nothing can match the service of maruti
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This proves nothing. My experience is the direct opposite. When I was in Bangalore, I initially had a Maruti 800. Not only did I not get any reminders for service -- the dealer (Mandovi motors) actually requested me to bring the vehicle for routine service only after it runs 5000 kms, even if takes 2 years to do so!! Obviously at that time Maruti was dominating and all dealers were swamped. In contrast, when I acquired the Santro, the dealer in Bangalore (Advaith Hyundai) reminded me every 6 months and insisted on service even if the vehicle had run only 2000 kms.
rks, it is not the cosmetic value of the A.S.S. i am talking about the ease of service, availability of spares anywhere with any vendor, the quality of the spares etc etc.

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WagonR was not even considered by the family on the basis of its looks
hey dude ms rana, did you take a look at the santro, that too the initial models in 2000. were you in love with the car that you were blind to its looks ? come on man, the indian auto was fighting 2nd place with this car.

anyhow that is your choice. i respect that. no offence meant

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@Fargo, your posts dont even warrant a reply.

@Ramkya1, there is a very interesting comparison review between wagonR and santro by someone who drives both. here is the linky:

http://www.mouthshut.com/review/Maru...-107169-1.html

i share most of the thoughts of this review, since i own a wagonR and frequently drive my bro's Santro Zipdrive 1.1L
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wagon r is uncouth has smaller shoes terrible interiors and shudders on hills; try it if u din't believe me. santro is miles ahead.
Mister... this is just another sweeping statement of an ignorant santro owner/lover.
I do own.. a WagonR & Alto Vxi.. and a couple of other cars... and the wagonR performs perfectly for its dimensions... in-fact a bit better than what one expects from those dimensions.
Santro is no different.... it rather feels lighter, the steering is not speed sensitive.
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