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Old 27th April 2007, 00:53   #136
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There is no Stile 1.2 available. Only 1.1 & 1.6.

And yes the interiors are identical to the 1.1 SLX (with brushed aluminum inserts). The feature list of the 1.1 SLX & 1.6 is the same.
Thanks for clearing that up Ashutosh. The 1.6 stile comes fully loaded compared to the 1.1SL/SLE. The 1.1SLX lists similar features as the 1.6

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no the feature list of 1.1 and 1.6 is not same. lotsa difference there. Alloys/spoiler/only 2 colours/metal pedals and much more.
I have allready seen the features as per the Fiat India website.
What I meant to ask was if there any big differences in layout etc or essentially is it the same.
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Well, not had the pleasure of driving an S10, but I really wish Fiat would give the GTX better gearing. Do the 1.2 and the 1.6 share gearing? Because the GTX also seems to top out at 80 in 2nd, like the 1.2 and the Santro. This really affects 0-100s and quarter-mile bursts.

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And the other bit is,because of the shorter ratios, the car becomes even more driveable in city traffic.
I always thought shorter ratios were more of a pain in town. More fun to thrash, but a pain in traffic.
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Do the 1.2 and the 1.6 share gearing?
Yes I think they do, here are ratios of the 1.2 and 1.6:
Gear Fiat Palio 1.2 Fiat Palio 1.6
1st 4.273/6.5 3.909/7.1
2nd 2.158/13.0 2.158/12.8
3rd 1.345/20.8 1.345/20.5
4th 0.974/28.7 0.974/28.4
5th 0.829/33.8 0.766/36.1
Final Drive 3.867:1 3.867:1
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A general question: From the figures given below, what can you infer?

1st 4.273/6.5 3.909/7.1

I thought that 3.909 would be a shorter ratio than 4.273, but there is also a 6.5 and 7.1, which are quite the opposite. How do I make sense of it?

EDIT: How do I calculate the final drive ratio?
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Is it possible to alter the gear ratio to make the car touch 100 in second?
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Well, not had the pleasure of driving an S10, but I really wish Fiat would give the GTX better gearing. Do the 1.2 and the 1.6 share gearing? Because the GTX also seems to top out at 80 in 2nd, like the 1.2 and the Santro. This really affects 0-100s and quarter-mile bursts.
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Is it possible to alter the gear ratio to make the car touch 100 in second?
How does it matter? I feel, it is more of psychological thing. If you do better 0-100, it is fine on paper or to boast about 0-100 figure. But, are you going to restrict at 100 only?

If changing gear ratio improves 0-100, it will be slower in 0-80 (taller ratio). Similarly, if you are going beyond 100 to, lets say, 130, again this becomes inconsequential, since you would change the gear anyway. (so it affects 0-120 figure as well).

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I always thought shorter ratios were more of a pain in town. More fun to thrash, but a pain in traffic.
I agree and I too felt the same. But, again "drivers" tend to like shorter ratios and "commuters" tend to like taller ratios.
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Is it possible to alter the gear ratio to make the car touch 100 in second?
Sameer from B.U. Bhandari did it already on 1.6 to improve mileage. You can talk to him about chaning gear ratio.
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Sameer from B.U. Bhandari did it already on 1.6 to improve mileage. You can talk to him about chaning gear ratio.
I dont think so but he told me that he was working on a gearbox when we met last.
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Well, not had the pleasure of driving an S10, but I really wish Fiat would give the GTX better gearing. Do the 1.2 and the 1.6 share gearing? Because the GTX also seems to top out at 80 in 2nd, like the 1.2 and the Santro. This really affects 0-100s and quarter-mile bursts.


I always thought shorter ratios were more of a pain in town. More fun to thrash, but a pain in traffic.

Well here is some more info on that.This is gonna be a long one.

GEAR RATIOS & TOP SPEEDS :-

GTX -
in 1st 3.909 40 km/h
in 2nd 2.158 73 km/h
in 3rd 1.345 117 km/h
in 4th 0.974 161 km/h
in 5th 0.766 185 km/h

S10 -
in 1st 3.909 40 km/h
in 2nd 2.158 73 km/h
in 3rd 1.480 106km/h
in 4th 1.121 140 km/h
in 5th 0.829 185 km/h

So the 1st and 2nd are identical.But from then on, its a different story for each of these cars.When I bought the S10, I thought about the exact same thing - Is this car going to be a pain in traffic?

Having understood the car's characteristics pretty well,I can tell you that this car is much better than you'd think it should be in the city.So much so, that I enjoy being in the shorter 3rd & 4th ratios for most of my drives.

Alright,lets imagine the two,GTX and S10 starting off together,side by side.

* Speeds and rpm readings are just a figment of my imagination,they might differ in reality *

Both cars are running at identical speeds and rpm in 2nd, ie
GTX- 30 @ 2000 rpm
S10 - 30 @ 2000 rpm

Time for a shift to third- Now this is where things change.When you shift to 3rd in the GTX, the rpm would fall somewhere around 1200 rpm, but in the S10, because of the shorter ratios, the rpm needle would rest at around 1500 rpm. The result, when you press the gas pedal at this point, the S10 will put its nose ahead and will enter the meat of the rev band quicker than the GTX.The same thing repeats whith another upshift.

So what I'm tring to imply here, is that because of the shorter ratios, the car always stays around the perfect city-operating rev band,ie. around 1500 - 3000 rpm.Its a boon to have all that torque ready to surge you forward with the slightest push on the pedal.

Here's the best bit- (back to the GTX and S10)- Both cars are in 3rd gear in the city.Both have to simultaneously slow down to almost a standstill- say at 10 km/h.Now at this speed, the tacho on the GTX would fall below 800 rpm in 3rd, the engine would shudder and you would have to downshift to 2nd.Thats pretty normal for any car I guess. But in the S10, the shorter 3rd bails you out of the situation,even at 10 km/h, the tacho would be above 1000 rpm and the car will pull cleanly from that speed.So you see, more driveability and fewer gear changes in the city.

Now for the -ves of the shorter ratios.
1) On the faster expressways, you cannot stay in a gear for a long time.You have to upshift at relatively lower speeds - see the table.
Even downshifting has to be calculative.If at speeds above 150-160 km/h, I downshift to 4th, I'll end up over cooking the engine and it will end in the far end of the rev band.So the GTX would probably be a bit more relaxed at these speeds.

2) If I stay in the 4th for long, it would affect my FE. So I have to be in 5th most of the times on the highways.

But I think these ratios suit the car's sporty character though and should have been provided on the GTX as well.

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Shaman Mumbai promised me 1.6 TD on Sat 21st, waited till evening for the call. Finally called the sales guy who promised me TD on 1.6. He had forgotten to call!!. What attitude! He said that 1.6 will not be available immediately for TD. He suggested I take TD on 1.1 as both cars mechanically same. Got fed up and hungup.
Shaman has always had pathetic attitude and approach towards prospective customers. But Fiat's are difficult to sell in the market today and that probably makes salespeople a little dis interested in making the sale from the outset. Maybe they think, "whats the point? the customer will buy a Indica/Swift/Getz etc. anyway and I will have to answer the same queries on FE, After sales support etc." As for him asking you to take the 1.1 instead of 1.6, it just shows how little he knows about cars. But at times you do get frustrated with some companies way to doing business. I say this because I have similar expereinces with VW when I was selling them in Toronto.

As for the question, go for the 1.6 Stile if you manage to locate one for a TD.It sounds difficult to believe that the car will be "made to order". I guess, wait for sometime. Maybe Fiat will sort out their prodution in their new plant. Maybe they are totally concentrating on the 1.1 because they didn't expect a enquiry on the 1.6 so soon!
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@ROMS, good write up. Sounds convincing :-) BTW, what are the gear rations and top speed for Fiat Adventure. Same as GTX?
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As for the question, go for the 1.6 Stile if you manage to locate one for a TD.It sounds difficult to believe that the car will be "made to order". I guess, wait for sometime. Maybe Fiat will sort out their prodution in their new plant. Maybe they are totally concentrating on the 1.1 because they didn't expect a enquiry on the 1.6 so soon!
Just when Id given up hope on the Fiat parent company as well as the Tata/Fiat dealerships I got a call from a chap at Concorde Motors Bangalore.
Had a chat with him and he says they are just in the process of requisition of the 1.6 Stile, so they would have stock in about 15 days. Apparently they have 3 paid booking for the car allready.

This guy seems honest and upfront, decent attitude really. He says he will be in touch once the vehicles are in transit, lets see how it goes
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Just when Id given up hope on the Fiat parent company as well as the Tata/Fiat dealerships I got a call from a chap at Concorde Motors Bangalore.
You still haven't bought the car???
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Sorry O/T!

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You still haven't bought the car???
Nahi bhaiya. The plans for the new vehicle in february got shelved at the last moment as we ran into some financial strains, being the year end things didnt help either so we had to delay the purchase.

Now ready to go in for a vehicle... my focus shifted from the Swift(which was actually finalised upon) to the Palio after having spent a few days driving around an OFP 1.9d that my friend recently purchased. Even with its dated design I kind of warmed up towards it. Lets see how it goes
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got a call from cargo motors for feedback. I asked if the 1.6 was in stock. They said the car manufacturing for 1.6 has started late for fiat to meet the demand for 1.1. They should have it by this weekend.

wonder how many stile's they sold.
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