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Old 17th June 2007, 21:51   #16
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Welcome to TBhp sir! Hope u have a great time on the forum.
Our Calcutta chapter's getting bigger every day
We meet up pretty often these days. So, hope to see you sometime soon!
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Old 18th June 2007, 01:54   #17
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Hmmm... so that adds up another member to the Kolkata chapter. Of late are not we adding one member a day from kolkata? thats really swell.

Asit-da, for you I think we need to know the exact requirements. As in what are your prime criteria, the secondary ones etc. You seemed to have run a whole gamut of TDs on all sorts of hatchbacks. So that makes me sure that you want a hatchback. Now what is it that you want in your next hatch? Also, you are changing over from one hatch to another. Is there any specific reason that you want to change over from the WagonR? Following points may help people in suggesting a car for you.

* How important is the cabin space for you? Are you looking for a comfortable 5-people carrier?
* How important is the boot space?
* Are you looking to cover large distances and hence want a low running cost per km?
* Do you want a very peppy car to drive around in city?
* Do you want a highly manoueverable small car with say low turning radius, less parking space requirements etc?
* How important is it to have a good A.S.S. for your new car? This may look like a no brainer to you but we do have members here who are DIY enthusiasts with some good contacts at local garages and do not bother so much about A.S.S.
* How long do you plan to retain your new car? Is resell value an important criteria?
* Do you have a budget for the new car? If so do state. Also, is this budget flexible? By what extent?
* Any other specific requirement that you may have?

Please do let us know on these points as they will help us in zeroing in to the right car for you.

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Old 18th June 2007, 13:24   #18
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Thanks everybody for welcoming me. I am sorry to have responded so late. This weekend was particularly bad in terms of household business. I did log on a few times to check the response, but before I could respond to anybody, I was drafted into something different.
So I have decided to say a general "thanks" to everybody and answer in general.
Omni was a choice forced onto us by financial constraints, that might seem strange after 13+ years abroad, but I had serious responsibilities once we came back.
Actually even the 800 that we bought after that was also a forced decision. The reason we decided to get rid of the 800 was basically to get something with better brakes, suspension and things like that.
In answer to another question, I was in a smallish town called Aachen (bordering Holland and Belgium) in Germany.

One thing I forgot to mention is that we want to keep the WagonR as long as it is drivable. It's only about 3 yrs old right now and so far absolutely trouble-free.

Right now we are in the market for a second car. SX4 and many of the cars some of you have mentioned are out of reach of our budget at the moment.

Again I am sorry for not responding to individual greetings and questions.
Now onwards I am in a better position to do that.
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Old 18th June 2007, 14:01   #19
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Hi Zappo,
Thanks for your detailed questionaire. Let me try to answer:

*So that makes me sure that you want a hatchback. Now what is it that you want in your next hatch?
- Well, our budget is about 4 lakhs. Only hatbacks are available, I guess, in that budget.

*Also, you are changing over from one hatch to another. Is there any specific reason that you want to change over from the WagonR?
- We want to keep the WagaonR. We like it for for many reasons: reasonable drivability (although suspension and gear could be better), reasonable mileage, good reliability, good space for a compact car etc. We now want a second car.

* How important is the cabin space for you? Are you looking for a comfortable 5-people carrier?
- Already possessing the WagonR, bigger the space in the second car is better. That makes it a difficult problem within 4 lakhs.

* How important is the boot space?
- No matter what, I always like to have reasonable boot space unless I am buying a Porche. At the time of selection of the WagonR, we also liked Santro, but boot space along with better mileage (in 2004) and better availability of service in terms of no. of service stations made the decision in favor of WagonR.

* Are you looking to cover large distances and hence want a low running cost per km?
- Not really. But reasonable mileage always helps. Very seldom we go out on weekends on longish drives these days. In our WagonR the longest trip we made was from Kolkata to Puri (About 600 kms each way). Since I am the only driver, it would always help if the drive is comfortable.

* Do you want a very peppy car to drive around in city?
- No. Priority is more on stability and comfort, bit of legroom etc. Obviously the car needs also to move with reasonable degree of ease.

* Do you want a highly manoueverable small car with say low turning radius, less parking space requirements etc?
- Obviously I do not want an Ambassador (with due respect). Manoueverability is always good. But I do not need to get the most manoueverable car, I take a lot of pride in my driving (even in Kolkata). But, for example, power steering is a must.

* How important is it to have a good A.S.S. for your new car? This may look like a no brainer to you but we do have members here who are DIY enthusiasts with some good contacts at local garages and do not bother so much about A.S.S.
- As long as we get good authentic service, does it really matter where we get it from? Availability of spares etc should worry us though in case we are not going with a very popular brand like Maruti.

* How long do you plan to retain your new car? Is resell value an important criteria?
- I think my that phase is over (let's see!). From now on, we like to say officially that we keep all the cars we buy until they die.

* Do you have a budget for the new car? If so do state. Also, is this budget flexible? By what extent?
- Max is about 4 lakhs.

* Any other specific requirement that you may have?
- A big concern for me is safety and the stability of the car. I do not have a lot of automotive knowledge, but I have a huge amount of experience in driving in all kinds of conditions (blizzards, mountains etc). From that I see that in most cars I have driven here in India I do not feel the stability and level of safety, feel of the brakes, precision of the steering etc. However, I have mostly driven low budget cars here in India.

Waiting for many of you to respond.
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Old 18th June 2007, 14:55   #20
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Ok. Lets see. You want a hatchback that has to be very stable and rugged. In fact this is a requirement that you mentioned in multiple places. The car also needs to have a good amount of all-around legroom and should have some luggage space as well.

Interestingly, you are not much bothered about the service station and quality of it. Obviously you know your way around with the local garages. In other words you are not in the mould of people who buy a Maruti "because it has the best A.S.S. in the industry".

You also are not bothered with the resell value of the car as you plan to retain it as long as it runs.

Hmmm.... my suggestion to you is

* If you want a petrol car go and TD a Fiat Palio. Its an amazing car for the money you spend. Fits your requirements to a T.

* If you are interested in saving some dough in recurring fuel expenses along with meeting the other requirements I would say please do test drive an Indica Turbo diesel. Again, it is one car that has hardly ever dissappointed its owners. In fact your dithering on diesels is understandable but let me assure you that this one can be a real work horse at very low cost of maintenance. The response in city or the highways is also very good. The old stereotypes about owning diesel cars are, well, just that... Old.

Both the Fiat and Turbo Diesel Indica can be TD'd at any Tata dealership.

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Old 18th June 2007, 14:56   #21
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@asitkde, please request the mods to move this to the What Car ? section. You'll have more responses.

As you've mentioned, since you already have a WagonR it would make sense if the next car were more spacious. The options within 4 L are
Indica, Palio. However, to get more space you should be ideally looking at the Swift/Getz/U-VA segment.

# Have you tried the Indica Xeta 1.2 petrol ?
# Do you have to buy the car right now ? Would it be possible to wait 6 months and up your budget by another 50K ? If so, the Swift LXi will come into the picture.
# Are used cars an option ? I'm referring to max 2 yr old cars. You could get a Swift ZXi having ABS, Airbags from TrueValue or a similarly spec'ed Getz.
# Buy a 4/5 yr old car for < 2L. Use it for 2/3 years. Save up for a new 3 box car after 3yrs and keep that till it 'dies'.
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Old 18th June 2007, 15:00   #22
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By the way mods... this thread needs to be cut into two part. The first part can be here but the second part needs to be moved to the What Car section.
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Old 18th June 2007, 16:27   #23
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Hi Sir,

Nice to have you on board. With the Lincolns you have driven, I am sure you are having a hard time findings a decent buy here LOL!

Like Zappo said, I think you could post the lower part of your post in the What Car section.

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Old 18th June 2007, 16:58   #24
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Asitda
I loved the honest and down to earth reply to my question "why Omni?" I really felt humbled.
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Old 18th June 2007, 21:53   #25
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I am confused. How to move to the thread "What car?" Do I just start posting there all of a sudden? But I have answers to make to Zappo, Shuvc, nischint and perhaps a few others.
If I just post in that thread, without the background, wouldn't other folks find it strange?
Please HELP.
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Old 18th June 2007, 22:55   #26
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asit da, I think it has already proceeded a bit too far. So keep posting. However do remember in future that there are separate sections for various kinds of topics. Your query on cars should have been a separate thread under the What Car section. This is actually the Introduce Yourself section meant to introduce new joinees to the forum. Its like you have joined two different threads into one.

May I suggest that you read the board rules once, available from the home page. This will help you in posting in future.
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Old 18th June 2007, 23:43   #27
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Zappo has suggested Palio (got to be 1.1 within my budget) and Indica Turbo D (also suggested by Nischint). As my very first introductory post mentions it, I have already TD'd both of them, albeit for a brief period. Perhaps next weekend, I am going to give them another go, this time perhaps for a longer period.

But I have a few questions. As I have driven really very many cars before, I have always observed that finding the correct power ratios for the transmission slots always takes for me at least half an hour in a new car, no matter how powerful the car is. For me part of the enjoyment in driving a car is finding these power ratios in my cars and outperform more powerful cars on the streets. When somebody says a particular car is underpowerd (for example with palio stile 1.1), does he or she really take into account what I am talking about here? I am not sure if I have conveyed correctly. In other word, how underpowered is the 1.1?

Otherwise the palio is simply beautiful.

Saw it in ACI (June 2007) that Fiat is planning a 16 valve 1.1 (instead of the current 8 valves). Is it something one needs to pay attention to?

Indica Turbo D is a very practical car, and I like it too. The ride is good.

In answer to Shuvc, the Swift/Getz/U-VA bunch is just a bit above our threshold. Really liked the look of U-VA and its space (unassuming). Many people have suggested against the Xeta. I personally am open to everything.

Also, we perhaps would not like to buy used cars. The used cars I have bought so far (Omni here and Opel Ascona and Ford Escort) were actually from known reliable sources and they were good value for money. In general I believe in the principle: "Do not buy other people's headache". May not be true these days though, because a lot of people are regularly changing their cars like cell phones.
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Originally Posted by asitkde View Post
I was in a smallish town called Aachen (bordering Holland and Belgium) in Germany.
small world. I lived in Viersen for a while. sorry for the OT:

What are your initial impressions on the Palio and Xeta?

I have moved this thread to "What Car". Asit, feel free to post a new introduction.

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Hi Navin, very many thanks for moving this thread. I'll soon write and seek help in more detail.
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Since you want more car per car

Petrol - Palio 1.1 or else Indica 1.2 Xeta

Diesel - Indica Turbo Diesel

Ideally, you should wait for Palio 1.1 16 valve
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